Confirmed Signing Idrissa Gueye

[Lanolin]

Forgive me, how many players did we "lose" about 6 weeks ago?

Well the out of contract players who left this summer played 26 PL games in total last season. The out of contract players I mentioned leaving next year played 115, so there's a pretty significant difference.

 

[thorney33]

Ideally you get the next Gana in during the next 12-18 months so he has a mentor ready to go.

 

[matty1878]

actually excited we’re getting him back

originally when we signed from from villa i said he would be kak

how i ate my words

 

[Ring master]

actually excited we’re getting him back

originally when we signed from from villa i said he would be kak

how i ate my words

Probably not for the 1st time, as you must be use to it now lol

 

[bluestevon]

We have, and I never suggested we hadn't. The ratio is still way off though, in the last 3 seasons we've signed 13 first team players on permanent deals and only 4 of them have been under 25. If this is the next deal we do then it's 4 out of 14. As I said quite clearly, I'm not complaining about this deal and I understand the reasoning, my issue is with people saying 'who cares about resale values' and then at the same time crying about us not being able to spend and calling all the DoFs and managers every name under the sun.

Again, there's nothing wrong with adding a few experienced heads here and there for cheap, it's fine. We have to be careful though because it's a dangerous game if you get the balance wrong. Next year we have Coleman, Mina, Allan, Townsend, Rondon and Begovic all out of contract and probably leaving. Davies and Doucoure are too, although they may be more likely to stay, while Vinagre's loan will be up. So we're likely to be trying to replace 7-9 players who have left without us receiving a penny for them. That's not easy to do, and it's why the bolded bit is just a basic misunderstanding of the importance of resale value. It's not about planning to sell people, it's about having assets which retain their value. We need to have a player trading model where we sell assets to raise money to buy better assets. That's how we can improve. If we have no assets to sell, we can't improve.

Essentially the money ball method mate.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Two year deal for a nominal fee is a great stop-gap solution. I'll be a little concerned if its anything longer.

As others have said, the search for a replacement for Gana must continue, firm targets identified by the new year at the latest.

If we find somebody capable we might even be able to resell a 34 year old Gana to a club in the Gulf where he'll never be asked to wear rainbow laces or armbands that cause him so much angst.

Not big on this symbolism thing. Many reasons why Gueye may have not worn this rainbow shirt... One example. He could be actually trying to protect a family member who may well be in that LGBT community in Senegal. And him adorning this rainbow makes him and those close to him a target. Easy grab Muslim = homophobe. We just don't know.

 

[Lanolin]

Essentially the money ball method mate.

Is moneyball not about using stats to identify players who fit what you want to do and may be undervalued in the market? That’s nothing to do with what I’m saying? I’m just talking about basic economics; consistently losing first team players without receiving any money for them is not a sound business model. Im all for bringing in the odd player like gana but it has to be the exception and for us it’s closer to being the rule.

 

[BNJ1878]

Not big on this symbolism thing. Many reasons why Gueye may have not worn this rainbow shirt... One example. He could be actually trying to protect a family member who may well be in that LGBT community in Senegal. And him adorning this rainbow makes him and those close to him a target. Easy grab Muslim = homophobe. We just don't know.

Exactly. I'm honestly not fussed either way.

He hasn't come out as anti LGBT, just won't openly support them. (Does that make him anti? Depends how much of a zealot you are.)

Senagal has some draconian laws that are guided by a collection of fantasy stories that carry substantial weight with those who can't think things through. He's probably wise to hide whatever support he has (if any) for the movement.

My point was, if he wants a pension top up he can always play out his career in the Middle East where he won't ever be asked to Don those trinkets again.

 

[GoldenToffee]

He's been spotted at Finch Farm.

 

[Oddball]

Two year deal for a nominal fee is a great stop-gap solution. I'll be a little concerned if its anything longer.

As others have said, the search for a replacement for Gana must continue, firm targets identified by the new year at the latest.

If we find somebody capable we might even be able to resell a 34 year old Gana to a club in the Gulf where he'll never be asked to wear rainbow laces or armbands that cause him so much angst.

Gueye will in all likelihood know that those alphabet splinter groups have been politicised so why should he be made to support certain political movements.

 

[TezTickle]

It'll likely take a knock although balance that out with the needs of the team. Gana is still likely a far superior player than Davies and Allan is struggling.

Be interesting assuming he's signed by say weds, if lampard puts him straight in against Chelsea. If he's fit he should probably play as we have a better chance, but what does that do to the confidence of the others in the squad? Davies and Allan been working hard to get fit during pre season after injury.....

Tom Davies is not Premier League standard

 

[Rita_Poon]

Well the out of contract players who left this summer played 26 PL games in total last season. The out of contract players I mentioned leaving next year played 115, so there's a pretty significant difference.

Coleman, Mina, Allan, Townsend, Rondon and Begovic

Patterson and Vinagre for Coleman.
Tarkowski for Mina.
Gueye for Allan
McNeill for Townsend
Rondon doesnt need replacing.
Begovic continues rolling contract.

The Iceland situation skews the numbers also (Alli replaces) as his efforts in midfield were hugely missed. Incredible bad luck for Townsend getting an ACL injury. I reckon with Gueye in, we'll see a much better player in Allan this year.

 

[Lanolin]

Coleman, Mina, Allan, Townsend, Rondon and Begovic

Patterson and Vinagre for Coleman.
Tarkowski for Mina.
Gueye for Allan
McNeill for Townsend
Rondon doesnt need replacing.
Begovic continues rolling contract.

The Iceland situation skews the numbers also (Alli replaces) as his efforts in midfield were hugely missed. Incredible bad luck for Townsend getting an ACL injury. I reckon with Gueye in, we'll see a much better player in Allan this year.

Ok you're right, our transfer model is the envy of the league.

 

[COYBL25]

Coleman, Mina, Allan, Townsend, Rondon and Begovic

Patterson and Vinagre for Coleman.
Tarkowski for Mina.
Gueye for Allan
McNeill for Townsend
Rondon doesnt need replacing.
Begovic continues rolling contract.

The Iceland situation skews the numbers also (Alli replaces) as his efforts in midfield were hugely missed. Incredible bad luck for Townsend getting an ACL injury. I reckon with Gueye in, we'll see a much better player in Allan this year.

RONDON DOESN`T NEED REPLACING

 

[Marius57]

Coleman, Mina, Allan, Townsend, Rondon and Begovic

Patterson and Vinagre for Coleman.
Tarkowski for Mina.
Gueye for Allan
McNeill for Townsend
Rondon doesnt need replacing.
Begovic continues rolling contract.

The Iceland situation skews the numbers also (Alli replaces) as his efforts in midfield were hugely missed. Incredible bad luck for Townsend getting an ACL injury. I reckon with Gueye in, we'll see a much better player in Allan this year.

Forgetting branthwaite as the long term CB replacement.