ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[Oddball]

I can think of about 10 "next Peles" out of their academy who probably couldn't believe they away with earning a living there.

everyone they get is the next Pele ?

 

[Yarrgh]

everyone they get is the next Pele ?

What? Impotent?

 

[FCBarça]

Bernardo Silva and his partner regularly visit family in Portugal. During lockdown this was not possible and it affected them. Bernardo wanted to move back to Iberia so he could at least be near family. Now that travel restrictions have eased, however, he is able to make the regular visits and, as such, both he and his partner are much happier. It may well be the case that he does decide to move on in the summer, but it's a lot less likely than it was last summer. He's a fantastic player and everyone at City hopes that he stays for a long time.

Soon ?

 

[Oddball]

What? Impotent?

nooooo! nothing to do with a lazy-lob or whatever it is you`re thinking.

 

[paultheblue]

I dont doubt that the French police overreacted to a situation that was getting out of hand and have no doubt that ordinary innocent fans were treated badly but the fact remains that there would not have been a problem on the same scale if thousands were not encouraged to go without tickets by there own manager.
With thousands going without tickets it played into the hands of criminals selling forgeries , anybody buying a ticket from an unofficial source either knows it is a forgery or at least knows it could be .
For the future fans without tickets should be discouraged from travelling, there must be a huge cordon around the ground with several ticket checks before you can get near the ground.Stewards with police should have the technology to check the legality of tickets and if possible take the tickets if they are fake.
While the French police and government seem to bend over backwards apologising to Liverpool fans things will only improve if some of there own fans talk about the problems caused by there own fans.
Genuine supporters were refused entry into the ground because some of there own fans were already inside the ground with fake copies of their ticket.
In the 70s/80s it was considered a huge joke when people managed to get in without a ticket but times have changed this attitude has consequences.

 

[spectateur]

that publicity machine wants those millions of mugs` lovely money

That's what it had become all about, UNFORTUNATELY. MONEY

I dont doubt that the French police overreacted to a situation that was getting out of hand and have no doubt that ordinary innocent fans were treated badly but the fact remains that there would not have been a problem on the same scale if thousands were not encouraged to go without tickets by there own manager.
With thousands going without tickets it played into the hands of criminals selling forgeries , anybody buying a ticket from an unofficial source either knows it is a forgery or at least knows it could be .
For the future fans without tickets should be discouraged from travelling, there must be a huge cordon around the ground with several ticket checks before you can get near the ground.Stewards with police should have the technology to check the legality of tickets and if possible take the tickets if they are fake.
While the French police and government seem to bend over backwards apologising to Liverpool fans things will only improve if some of there own fans talk about the problems caused by there own fans.
Genuine supporters were refused entry into the ground because some of there own fans were already inside the ground with fake copies of their ticket.
In the 70s/80s it was considered a huge joke when people managed to get in without a ticket but times have changed this attitude has consequences.

I agree with all you say.
If only we could get the message accepted by the media.
It was a situation exacerbated and encouraged by Klopp.

 

[davek]

It’s the list of excuses they have to hand at all times:

Uefa logistics are terrible
Why are the tickets paper not digital
Local youths were waiting around the stadium, there wasn’t enough police
The stadium is old and not fit for purpose
The police were far too violent

All problems that no other set of fans seem to suffer.

Effectively they want to be able to behave as badly as they like and unless every single facet of the experience is set up for them to do that then it’s someone else’s fault when there’s another stadium incident. Basically it’s ‘let us all in and have enough space for us all, but if you don’t there’ll be problems and we’ll blame all of the above issues’

The French police saved another stadium disaster from happening and are now being castigated for it. People can argue about the approach they took but they were faced with tens of thousands of fans without tickets or with fake ones trying to force entry into a stadium that was already overpopulated in the Liverpool end. It wasn’t a time for gentle policing, the behaviour of Liverpool fans make it so. They keep talking about this impeccable behaviour yet some videos show fans scaling fences and getting into brawls, how is that impeccable behaviour.

If they stopped weaponising their fanbase every single time they go abroad they’d find that all these so called problems they keep having with policing or non modem stadiums or local youths would largely disappear as they have for every other team.

All that ^^^ = exactly right.

There was 19,000 tickets for Liverpool fans and they wanted to get 50,000 of themselves in. It really is that simple.

It's like someone intent on pouring a gallon of water into a pint glass complaining that they're not to blame for the spillage and that the pint glass should be 8 pints and the people stopping them making the utter mess of 7 pints of water going all over the place are to blame.

How can journalists not start out with that overwhelmingly obvious cause and then...if they want...point out the damage done to people entitled to be there with the tickets on the night?

It really just speaks to the dire calibre of what passes for British journalism. Case in point: David Conn - a man who gets massive credibility from some (the man who wrote that book about filthy mammon taking the game over...then sucked up to the Makhtoums and became their official 'takeover' biographer underlining the positive 'communal nature' of their ownership). He has gone all in on this story believing that the authorities are there to be blamed, when it's abundantly clear they reacted to the situation that Liverpool supporters presented them with. And he's not alone by a long chalk.

The Kopites have a spell over these people. They see them as useful idiots. And they are.

 

[rylojr]

Anyway, back to those horrific events in Paris that have upset so many Liverpool fans and their media supporters....


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Is it possible to like this twice? No, maybe FOUR times?

 

[davek]

I dont doubt that the French police overreacted to a situation that was getting out of hand and have no doubt that ordinary innocent fans were treated badly but the fact remains that there would not have been a problem on the same scale if thousands were not encouraged to go without tickets by there own manager.
With thousands going without tickets it played into the hands of criminals selling forgeries , anybody buying a ticket from an unofficial source either knows it is a forgery or at least knows it could be .
For the future fans without tickets should be discouraged from travelling, there must be a huge cordon around the ground with several ticket checks before you can get near the ground.Stewards with police should have the technology to check the legality of tickets and if possible take the tickets if they are fake.
While the French police and government seem to bend over backwards apologising to Liverpool fans things will only improve if some of there own fans talk about the problems caused by there own fans.
Genuine supporters were refused entry into the ground because some of there own fans were already inside the ground with fake copies of their ticket.
In the 70s/80s it was considered a huge joke when people managed to get in without a ticket but times have changed this attitude has consequences.

100% correct. That's the only thing that'll stop another stadium disaster. Let's get it right: any such restructuring of UEFA finals will be in response to pretty much one club's fans. We know who they are.

I've said from the off that UEFA are going to do this lot with their inquiry. They should take the Kopite's own protestations and use it to destroy their future capacity to disrupt the day of the finals around the stadium itself. That's why the Kopites are now complaining about a bias to the chairman of the UEFA inquiry: they basically want to have their cake and eat it too: complain about the set up around the stadium in Paris but they also want to be able to blag their way into other finals. UEFA have to seize this opportinuty to end the Kopite's behaviour around UEFA finals. They have to do exactly what you stated there that I highlighted in bold. And they have to find a way to penalise the clubs who reach finals for failing to curtail any excess fans turning up in great numbers at the location of the finals.

 

[degsy]

The French police saved another stadium disaster from happening and are now being castigated for it. People can argue about the approach they took but they were faced with tens of thousands of fans without tickets or with fake ones trying to force entry into a stadium that was already overpopulated in the Liverpool end.

It wasn’t a time for gentle policing,

Nor an extremely misguided, cowardly, nay borderline, criminal decision to open the main gates either.

 

[brigadier]

When Coutinho left Liverpool some pundits were claiming he was going to move Messi out of his position at Barcelona that’s how good he was. He then couldn’t get in Barca or Bayern’s teams and is now at Aston Villa. They dope their players at Liverpool. Salah and Mane will both fall off a cliff as soon as they leave that club.

Coutinho best in the world, Sturridge best forward in Europe, Henderson player of the year, the same people are now saying salah best in the world, mane best striker in Europe and fabinho is player of the year, anyone can look good when you get every decision from referees and your fitness levels are higher than the opposition, I expect mane to drop back to his Southampton level of playing, good but not great.

 

[YoboCopter]

i dont get the outcry myself even if they have legit tickets pepper spraying kopites is never a bad idea

 

[Pootsy]

it would seem like that but i think useful idiots is a better way to describe them. Jamie Carraagher and Steve McMacamacan etc are bought and paid for lackeys pushing an agenda. that club truly is a Sly TV hyped cult with its poisoned tentacles in Malaysia, Norway and beyond, drawing in the gullible. a wise man once said don`t, don`t, don`t, don`t believe the hype

Jim from The vicar of Dibley?

 

[arch stanton]

and a mention at PMQs today just to enforce the message, well one side's message.

 

[LEONARD]

Their 'reputation' proceeded them.

Police and local's in Paris were primed, and it all went down as we expected and predicted.

If any other British club were involved we would have seen nothing on the same scale.

Trouble just follows them around, it's never their fault, and here's to the next major incident.