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Oh. The "He rubbish anyway" rats creeping out.
Never change.
Never change.
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I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
Well one good season out of 6 ain't bad.
70 million you say? Oh sorry here's your hand back
Zeitgeist
Player Valuation: £35m
I've said previously i'd bite your hand off for £60m
Although I will say this is season is not due to performance, more to injury, so can give benefit of the doubt
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
I don't get the DCL outers, I really don't.
This 'wash your hands' culture in the fan base is the biggest let down imho. Some fans think that a player is leaving, so as some kind of emotional coping mechanism they convince themselves that the player is crap anyway / got a bad attitude and we should sell him, resulting in the player feeling unloved, they leave, fans feel vindicated. Toxic stuff imho
This DCL lad, anyone who knows enough football could clearly see that there was a player in there; quick, aggressive, ran the channels and worked both CBs. I said years ago that once he grew into his body and his mind caught up with his physicality he would be a top player. He has clearly developed in his time here, beating his previous goal tally each year. Under our only recognised manager, with a good supply line and some tactical nous, he looked like he was finally developing into a proper handful of a number nine.
Since Carlo left he's started, what, 5 games? And had to play under a washed up long-ball merchant who's divided the fan base. And now because he's been out injured and there's rumours of him leaving, some of youse are like 'nah lad he's s**te we don't need him his attitude stinks lets cash in'.
Mind boggling.
Got to be more supportive
This 'wash your hands' culture in the fan base is the biggest let down imho. Some fans think that a player is leaving, so as some kind of emotional coping mechanism they convince themselves that the player is crap anyway / got a bad attitude and we should sell him, resulting in the player feeling unloved, they leave, fans feel vindicated. Toxic stuff imho
This DCL lad, anyone who knows enough football could clearly see that there was a player in there; quick, aggressive, ran the channels and worked both CBs. I said years ago that once he grew into his body and his mind caught up with his physicality he would be a top player. He has clearly developed in his time here, beating his previous goal tally each year. Under our only recognised manager, with a good supply line and some tactical nous, he looked like he was finally developing into a proper handful of a number nine.
Since Carlo left he's started, what, 5 games? And had to play under a washed up long-ball merchant who's divided the fan base. And now because he's been out injured and there's rumours of him leaving, some of youse are like 'nah lad he's s**te we don't need him his attitude stinks lets cash in'.
Mind boggling.
Got to be more supportive
Carloblues
Player Valuation: £30m
No one is sayings he's rubbish feller, people are saying he's not as good as most fans think.
Saying someone isn't amazing, isn't the same as saying someone is rubbish, something our fanbase can't quite work out
Death
I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
I'd like to keep him. But he's a weird one for me. Gets in great positions. When he's in form and its clicking its great. But the chances he misses. Ones where if it was anybody else you'd almost be celebrating before he shoots. With Dom you stay planted and 9 times out of ten you were right to not get excited. I know he's just back from injury but he was back and missing them chances on a plate as usual. You just knew he wasn't going to come back slotting straight away. As some do. Even if there's an excuse.
Again not saying he is bad. But he is frustrating. He gets in the positions to slot when it's almost impossible not to and seems to be in the right place with a missed when mistakes are made etc. But its frustrating when you'd prefer almost anyone else on the pitch in a one v one situation on the keeper. And he's meant to be your main striker.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I think he's been quiety delighted we've struggled this season with him out the teram. It'd add to his stoick.
Going to enjoy the next 18 games or so as we climb the table and he's
Spot on.
Going to enjoy the next 18 games or so as we climb the table and he's
Ha Ha.
Spot on.
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
Crystal ball stuff
Zeitgeist
Player Valuation: £35m
I don't seem him as a natural goalscorer, not with his feet anyway, really lacks in the finishing department
Still only young though and other aspects of his game are brilliant to be fair to him
Death
I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
Yeah positive attributes aside. You don't see our number nine of 6 or 7 years a natural goal scorer. Yikes.
I'm not sure that many people actively want him out, more that a lot of people feel like the sort of fee being talked about would be a good one for him. I was having this conversation in the Mina thread yesterday, it sometimes feels like you have to think everyone is amazing or terrible, there's no room for middle ground and if you suggest somebody's good but not great it's tantamount to treason.
I like him, but I do feel like a fee north of £60m would be one we should consider very seriously. We're a midtable team who are (hopefully) at the start of a rebuilding phase, and we may be better off reinvesting the money in a couple of areas. We'd miss him, but we might be better off in the long run. That's obviously assuming we start doing recruitment right.
To be fair to people it's also worth pointing out that memories of him banging them in are understandably starting to fade. He's only scored 4 goals from open play in the last 12 months, so it's not that surprising that people aren't necessarily thinking of him as a 20 goal a season striker at the moment.
BNJ1878
Player Valuation: £40m
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
Agree - it doesn't have to be binary, unless it's on the internet, in which case you're either a good player or a bad player
But then the internet has also given us goldfish syndrome, so little wonder that everyone has forgotten that he might actually be a good player.IMHO we will forever remain a mid-table club if we are in the habit of selling our best assets and reinvesting the cash. Even if you get two or three players for the price of one, generally only one of them works, every transfer is a risk, and what happens to the other two? Use up the wage bill, disrupt the squad, etc.
A more ambitious club keeps DCL and builds around him. Get him some competition. Maybe his ceiling is only 15-20 goals a season - for a target man that is pretty good. Get us a goal scoring midfielder and another bagman and see where that takes us instead of selling him while he's still flavour of the month.
The bun fights over his talents are because the views are as always black and white as everything seems to be today.
No middle ground at all.
To the people saying he's crap, well he isn't. He'll always earn a living in the top flight and score goals.
To the people who've said he's the best in the country and worth 100m then again that's just so wrong.
He's no Vardy and never will be.
I personally think Richarlison having the Number 9 shirt would be the way to go, we simply don't need him out wide with the staff we have now to do that very job.
I'd like DCL to stay but as I've said on other posts it wouldn't be as hard to suffer if he went as it was when Lukaku left.
No middle ground at all.
To the people saying he's crap, well he isn't. He'll always earn a living in the top flight and score goals.
To the people who've said he's the best in the country and worth 100m then again that's just so wrong.
He's no Vardy and never will be.
I personally think Richarlison having the Number 9 shirt would be the way to go, we simply don't need him out wide with the staff we have now to do that very job.
I'd like DCL to stay but as I've said on other posts it wouldn't be as hard to suffer if he went as it was when Lukaku left.
To an extent I think we have to accept that in the short term we are going to remain a midtable club. Obviously there's always the possibility of doing Leicester but realistically I don't see us moving past that stage in the next couple of years.Agree - it doesn't have to be binary, unless it's on the internet, in which case you're either a good player or a bad player
IMHO we will forever remain a mid-table club if we are in the habit of selling our best assets and reinvesting the cash. Even if you get two or three players for the price of one, generally only one of them works, every transfer is a risk, and what happens to the other two? Use up the wage bill, disrupt the squad, etc.
A more ambitious club keeps DCL and builds around him. Get him some competition. Maybe his ceiling is only 15-20 goals a season - for a target man that is pretty good. Get us a goal scoring midfielder and another bagman and see where that takes us instead of selling him while he's still flavour of the month.
I think I just see it completely the other way to you. If we had the nucleus of a squad that I thought could start to finish top 4 then i'd be saying let's do everything we can to keep them all, but I just don't think we have that. I think we're miles away, and our best bet is to accept that we missed our chance to join the big time and we need to rebuild in order to have another go. I don't think you need a £60m+ striker to finish 8th in the PL and so I would definitely consider offers of that ilk. We've been 'ambitious' for years but have made a mess of it, maybe now it's time to dial down the short term ambition in order to be more successful in the long term.
Personally if we're rebuilding and implementing a new style I'd actually prefer a different profile of striker - one who's better with their feet - but if we decide to keep him then that's great. He's good, i like him, he can do well for us, I just don't think it's the worst idea in the world to cash in.
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