F1 2021

[longers]

This Mercedes illegal car story is going to kick into overdrive either this week or next I think. Red Bull will blatantly lodge a formal protest and seem pretty sure they know what Merc are doing, whatever it is its passing tests similar to how Red Bulls rear wing passed tests earlier in the season despite not really being legal.

Alonsos reaction to Hamiltons sprint race is amusing, I think all the teams are probably a little shocked/suspicious at the insane performance of Merc this weekend.



edit: Merc looking like they are going to protest based on the onboard

 

[Tubey]

They're right to do so. The decision is so egregiously wrong that you have to hold the stewards to account for the decision to not even investigate it. It'd be bad enough to not give the obvious penalty, but to deem it not even worthy of looking at is just bonkers to the point of being only explicable via corruption.

As for the Merc speed, I think mostly it's explained by the new engine and his progress up the field by every car bar the Red Bull just being completely uninterested in a track war in a battle that's nothing to do with them. I think the straight line speed on its' own is explainable with the engine, but if there is wrongdoing then they're bloody stupid.

 

[Tubey]

Nah. Nothing subtle about it. I think if people take off rose tinted glasses for their particular fave driver and just look at it, it is clear.

Would max have seen Lewis? Yes. Did he drive on the racing line? No. By staying on the line he did, did he come off the track to gain an advantage? Yes. Did he force another driver off the track by taking a line he shouldn't have? Yes. Was it dangerous? Could have been.

It's a penalty. It just is. No matter who you support.i like the battle between them and the teams. Has made it an exciting season. But a line was crossed this time. My view is max tried to take Lewis out of the race. Maybe even hoping for a collision. It would certainly have favoured red bull if it had happened.

I agree with all of this except the bold part. I don't think that's the case because the corner wasn't against a wall or anything.

No, I think he cynically cut the road off at the corner so Hamilton had to evade to avoid a collision. Indeed that's why it's a clear cut penalty, because Hamilton could do absolutely nothing else but exit the road, and that was forced directly by the blatantly deliberate action of Verstappen.

 

[longers]

The second braking point is turn 4, you can see Verstappen takes an extra 30-40kmh into the corner compared to the previous lap when he defended

 

[The binman chronicles]

The second braking point is turn 4, you can see Verstappen takes an extra 30-40kmh into the corner compared to the previous lap when he defended

Pretty damning. Off the brakes earlier, doesn't slow the car down as much as the previous lap and remember coming in from a more acute angle meaning he should be attempting to go in a little slower and then flooring it out on to the run off keeping his speed up all the way through.

As RB say it's just hard racing...

or in other words, illegal.

 

[Tubey]

The second braking point is turn 4, you can see Verstappen takes an extra 30-40kmh into the corner compared to the previous lap when he defended

As said, he basically pointed his car off the track to cut the outside off. It's as clear a penalty as you'll ever see.

He's a spoilt little brat.

 

[BNJ1878]

He's a spoilt little brat.

He was always an awful little bell.

He's shown a lot more maturity this season, but it doesn't take much to trigger him and teenage Max comes out.

Turn four, the multiple direction changes, the petulant comment over the radio when told he has a black and white.

Kopite.

 

[BNJ1878]

 

[The binman chronicles]

Turn four, the multiple direction changes, the petulant comment over the radio when told he has a black and white.

I don't mind the change of direction so much to try and break the tow, he did that early enough, it's when he waits for the other driver to pick a side and then moves the car to block, a la Belgium against Kimi. To be fair to him like you say he has matured and doesn't seem to do that anymore but this is another example to add to Italy where he has to learn to let go and live to fight another day. No one likes losing so it's understandable but they'll be days like Mexico when he himself is unbeatable and he shouldn't be shoved off or crashed into either.

 

[evilwebby]

Max's defending tactics are pretty predictable now - he'll always defend the inside and try to force you onto the outside of the corner.

That's why in Silverstone Lewis done him - dummied left first, then took the inside, and even this time in Brazil hehalf-dummies Verstappen into turning in slightly early into turn 1 to cover the inside.. Hamilton then takes the late apex and sets himself up for a better run through 2 & 3 to ideally position himself on the run into 4.

Hamilton still is the best out and out racer on the grid.

 

[Dylan]

FIA/stewards set precedent early on in the season, if there is runoff there is leeway.

Also, some of you in here *really* have a thing against certain drivers/teams. It really shows your bias. In reality, all the teams are dirty and underhanded and will do anything to argue their side or gain an advantage.

Same is true of the drivers. Favorites get the pass, villains are the devil. What Lewis did to Max at Silverstone was a thousand times worse than getting forced off the road with a huge run-off at (comparatively) low speeds.

So we are clear on my biases....Perez is the driver on the grid I want to see do the best.......I don't like Max, Lewis doesn't float my boat - but I want Honda to leave the sport with a title.

 

[The binman chronicles]

FIA/stewards set precedent early on in the season, if there is runoff there is leeway.

Also, some of you in here *really* have a thing against certain drivers/teams. It really shows your bias. In reality, all the teams are dirty and underhanded and will do anything to argue their side or gain an advantage.

Same is true of the drivers. Favorites get the pass, villains are the devil. What Lewis did to Max at Silverstone was a thousand times worse than getting forced off the road with a huge run-off at (comparatively) low speeds.

So we are clear on my biases....Perez is the driver on the grid I want to see do the best.......I don't like Max, Lewis doesn't float my boat - but I want Honda to leave the sport with a title.

I don't necessarily think that is true. I lot of us will praise Max when he puts in the performances we know he can despite what we think of him in general. RB get a bad rep as Max, Horner, Marko are all fairly unlikeable personalities. Checo is the one exclusion in that team as you actually want to root for him.

I think Max deserves the title no matter what happens in the next 3 races as he has been consistent and not had the kind of mistakes Mercedes have made. Do I want him to win a title though? No, because he is a bad bell who will rather make contact than race. As for the Silverstone comparison, It's identical apart from one driver is willing to back down where Max isn't. We saw in the GB sprint race Lewis on the outside and while the angle was not quite as tight on the inside as it would be a day later Lewis could have gone around the outside but he knew he would have been hit so didn't. Same with almost every other pass that happens at copse the driver on the outside yields. Lewis would have also made copse corner where as Max was almost in another postal code to the track in Brazil. There is also run off at that corner in Silverstone so I'm not understanding the point. The speed of the corner is pretty irrelevant, you either back down/give space or you don't.

 

[wainy]

Hope he gets a big penalty, his fans remind me of Kopites. Great driver, mind.

 

[d34noj]

FIA/stewards set precedent early on in the season, if there is runoff there is leeway.

Also, some of you in here *really* have a thing against certain drivers/teams. It really shows your bias. In reality, all the teams are dirty and underhanded and will do anything to argue their side or gain an advantage.

Same is true of the drivers. Favorites get the pass, villains are the devil. What Lewis did to Max at Silverstone was a thousand times worse than getting forced off the road with a huge run-off at (comparatively) low speeds.

So we are clear on my biases....Perez is the driver on the grid I want to see do the best.......I don't like Max, Lewis doesn't float my boat - but I want Honda to leave the sport with a title.

Max should have backed off, Hamilton had the line.

 

[Tubey]

FIA/stewards set precedent early on in the season, if there is runoff there is leeway.

Also, some of you in here *really* have a thing against certain drivers/teams. It really shows your bias. In reality, all the teams are dirty and underhanded and will do anything to argue their side or gain an advantage.

Same is true of the drivers. Favorites get the pass, villains are the devil. What Lewis did to Max at Silverstone was a thousand times worse than getting forced off the road with a huge run-off at (comparatively) low speeds.

So we are clear on my biases....Perez is the driver on the grid I want to see do the best.......I don't like Max, Lewis doesn't float my boat - but I want Honda to leave the sport with a title.

Nonsense. Again that incident was because of Verstappen being too aggressive in defence and cutting across a racing line.



Level around a sweeping apex, and Verstappen does this - cutting across the car to the right. He caused the collision by being daft.



There's one driver I have a dislike of, and that's Bottas, as he's along for a free ride and is consistently useless. It's annoying, especially this season, as you could have had a legitimate three or four way title fight. Perez you can excuse as adjusting, but not Bottas.

As for team biases, I couldn't give a toss really. It's not like football, I don't have a team - if I support a 'team' in F1, it's solely down to the best looking livery and that'd be Aston Martin in my eyes, but that's all I care about with the cars.

No, I just want the best driver, whoever it is, to win fairly in a well contested title fight. I don't like Hamilton or Verstappen based on how they present themselves to the public, but they're both sensational drivers. It just so happens one constantly shoots himself in the foot with his aggression.