Everton Summer transfers 2021

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Sky reporting it now. When they write it like this it tends to be happening.


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JUVENTUS CLOSE IN ON KEAN DEAL
Juventus are in advanced talks to sign Everton striker Moise Kean, with a deal thought to be close.

tbf it was clueless Kaveh who tweeted that
 
I've been working off the assumption that we have some money but are unable to spend due to PL rules.

Whether that is true or not, maybe we'll never know

I actually think it's a bit of both mate

But, I do think they'd free up some cash to help out as long as we can get a player or two out.

Whether that cash is enough for anything more than a loan or two, I don't know.

The right-back issue is a disgrace though and someone needs jibbing for it.
 
I just took it off their transfer centre page. Usually if they don’t quite someone else or don’t write “SSN understands” etc. it tends to be right.

oh yeah I know, just saw Kaveh tweet that an hour ago following the reports in Italy. FWIW, even though clueless Kav has said it, I do think there's clearly legs to this. It makes too much sense I suppose.
 

I liked this for the lack of strategy thing. Agree there mate. And having to loan w/obligation to buy is a result of that lack of strategy.

But, I also just don't think Kean is cut out for English football yet and, given everything else that has gone on in the last 18 months, it just hasn't worked.

This would, in theory as yes as someone will be keen to point out we don't know for sure, but in theory if the club authorise a loan w/obligation, then it would suggest it's pretty much as good as a sale from our point of view in terms of getting money in to ease our FFP/P&S issues.

Kean isn’t suited to the club in my opinion. We want a forward we can launch crosses into, Carlo did it, “the manager” is doing it now, he won’t thrive here doing that it’s not his game. He will thrive elsewhere as he’s a huge talent with massive quality, blessed with a lot of natural attributes. It was a good signing, but the club/managers let him down - our footballing philosphey hasn’t developed from the 90s with a big man up front and launch crosses in, getting them to mull defenders and a forward holding it up. He would thrive in the PL at a club who play differently.

It’s a massively poor sale mate. Its not about getting any money in, it’s about the context of the deal, what’s the point of us making an accounting profit of 15 mill, then having to shell out more on a replacement in a fee and take on a likely higher wage, Kean is one of our lowest earners. It’s not a good financially.
 
Kean isn’t suited to the club in my opinion. We want a forward we can launch crosses into, Carlo did it, “the manager” is doing it now, he won’t thrive here doing that it’s not his game. He will thrive elsewhere as he’s a huge talent with massive quality, blessed with a lot of natural attributes. It was a good signing, but the club/managers let him down - it hasn’t developed. He would thrive in the PL at a club who play differently.

It’s a massively poor sale mate. Its not about getting any money in, it’s about the context of the deal, what’s the point of us making an accounting profit of 15 mill, then having to shell out more on a replacement in a fee and take on a likely higher wage, Kean is one of our lowest earners. It’s not good financially.

But he was signed under Silva who didn’t launch crosses into the box and he still didn’t do well?
 
Hes rubbish
I wouldn't say he's rubbish. But I had much higher hopes for our RB this year.

Pros: Strong, gets up and down, good control, good passer, good tackler.

Cons: Poor crosser, could do with being quicker, sometimes dodgy positionally, and tends to give away a lot of fouls in dangerous positions (which would frighten the life out of me if he played for us).

Probably better than what we have by some distance though.
 
Kean isn’t suited to the club in my opinion. We want a forward we can launch crosses into, Carlo did it, “the manager” is doing it now, he won’t thrive here doing that it’s not his game. He will thrive elsewhere as he’s a huge talent with massive quality, blessed with a lot of natural attributes. It was a good signing, but the club/managers let him down - it hasn’t developed. He would thrive in the PL at a club who play differently.

It’s a massively poor sale mate. Its not about getting any money in, it’s about the context of the deal, what’s the point of us making an accounting profit of 15 mill, then having to shell out more on a replacement in a fee and take on a likely higher wage, Kean is one of our lowest earners. It’s not a good financially.
Oh I agree. I'll admit, when we were first linked, I had my doubts though. I just didn't see how he'd fit because Everton don't do stuff like play three strikers. I remember chatting to a lad at work about it and just saying 'he'd just end up having to play on the wing' but my colleague had watched him a fair bit more than I had. But he's a City fan, and used to probably seeing talents nurtured and also getting to come in and play with world class players, not turbo dross.

I suppose I talked myself round to it and was dead excited when we signed him. And I agree about our tendency to throw the baby out with the bathwater (like I've said about James) and then wonder why we go nowhere. However in this case, I do have to say the player didn't really seem to fit in either and while that is on managers etc, ultimately he has to do it on the pitch as well. But again, it's half-and-half because we've never really played him to get the best out of him until, ironically, the first half the other night when I think he looked really good (admittedly against a poor side) in a front three, only for it to all go wrong for him in the second half.

It's the lesser of necessary evils this summer IMO though. The anger shouldn't be with this deal, moreso how we've got here.

We are that desperate for money and ultimately a deal like this could in theory be as good as a sale for us. It's crap but is what it is and, nobody, hand on heart, can say we'd miss what Kean brought to us while he goes. While I will defy anybody going we won't miss James, because we will, and that's why I've been so set in my view on that front even while I see the other side of the argument.

It all boils down to the absolute waste of the last few years under successive managers and DoFs.
 
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If he’s such a saleable asset why has no one bid for him all Summer?
I'd suspect clubs aren't desperate to tie themselves into a deal that would force them to work with Raiola for a player that isn't deemed world class.

I have absolutely no doubt though that there are several clubs in England who would have no difficulty at all in finding a permanent solution for Kean this window, and on their terms.

I give Brands some leniency for not being able to sell the Bernards and Gomes' of the world (largely due to the contracts that he gave them but that's another story), but Moise Kean? Nah, a competent DoF sells him no problem. Only positive is at least we'll get a transfer fee for him next year.
 

I wouldn't say he's rubbish. But I had much higher hopes for our RB this year.

Pros: Strong, gets up and down, good control, good passer, good tackler.

Cons: Poor crosser, could do with being quicker, sometimes dodgy positionally, and tends to give away a lot of fouls in dangerous positions (which would frighten the life out of me if he played for us).

Probably better than what we have by some distance though.
Surprised we haven't bid £20m already for him tbf. That's the first thing our scouts look for.
 
I'd suspect clubs aren't desperate to tie themselves into a deal that would force them to work with Raiola for a player that isn't deemed world class.

I have absolutely no doubt though that there are several clubs in England who would have no difficulty at all in finding a permanent solution for Kean this window, and on their terms.

I give Brands some leniency for not being able to sell the Bernards and Gomes' of the world (largely due to the contracts that he gave them but that's another story), but Moise Kean? Nah, a competent DoF sells him no problem. Only positive is at least we'll get a transfer fee for him next year.
Hmmmm

I don't think there is outside of teams where he wouldn't be a starter, tbh.

He's not proven anything in England. In fact, the only thing he's proven is he's probably not ready for PL football yet as he couldn't get into a pretty bog-standard Everton attack.

So I don't see any club outside of the top 5/6 being able to commit £30m to him. Not in this COVID-impacted market.

It's a weird case here that we could only sell upwards. Nobody in a similar position to us in England can afford to spend £30m on a striker who hasn't done well here.

And i say this as someone who is fairly critical of Brands' ability to shift players.
 
Hmmmm

I don't think there is outside of teams where he wouldn't be a starter, tbh.

He's not proven anything in England. In fact, the only thing he's proven is he's probably not ready for PL football yet as he couldn't get into a pretty bog-standard Everton attack.

So I don't see any club outside of the top 5/6 being able to commit £30m to him. Not in this COVID-impacted market.

It's a weird case here that we could only sell upwards. Nobody in a similar position to us in England can afford to spend £30m on a striker who hasn't done well here.

And i say this as someone who is fairly critical of Brands' ability to shift players.
I wasn't suggesting a team in England would buy him off us, rather hypothetically that if Kean was already at one of those clubs they wouldn't have a problem selling him permanently in this window following his loan at PSG.

I certainly don't think he has a future in England.
 

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