ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[PITA]

Carra lar and the rest of the RS vermin will be fuming at the supposed changes to var...
Contact must be enough to make a foul...
Fouls will not be given when their is contact and the players exaggerate in order to try and get a decision...

Are you assuming that the new rules will be applied evenly?

 

[EverTheOptimist]

I have learnt lots on this forum, and elsewhere, as I'm sure most people have, but I can't say I recall being taught about turnover here a month ago. Can I ask when that was? Or is this in the same world that you state OGS is tactically inept and didn't finish above Klopp last season?

Again you don't really seem to have read, or comprehended anything else I've written. I haven't said wages to turnover isn't a worthwhile or useful measure (as it is) but just that it had no worth in the context of what we were discussing. This is about the 4th occasion now that you have just mansplained a fairly basic concept back which everyone already knows. The art of good conversation is not just rant and repeating your bit of knowledge, but listening to what's being said to you, and grasping the context of the discussion.

For about the 4th time, the discussion was about levels of wage spend and the correlation with performance. In that context, adding turnover doesn't add anything to that discussion. There are other discussions whereby it is an interesting is a little elementary point (it's fairly novice level of reading of financial statements but nevertheless it has some value).

The best indicator of where you will finish is the wages spent, not wages to turnover. In all honesty wages to turnover doesn't really give you much of an indication at all. It's a base level analysis for the efficiency and strategic decision making of an organisation. I don't think I'd know anyone who would use it in that context.

As for the question, I ignored it, because as with all of the above, it just doesn't have any relevance to the discussion. It's a bit of a crude question, as there are all sort of metrics that indicate financial strength, and I wouldn't really judge a business solely on 1 ratio, based on 2 numbers. However if you want to reduce it down to such a binary choice, the business with the lower wages to turnover is likely to be in a healthier financial position. I think everyone knows that, so it doesn't need answering. The real issue is, why would you want to input a completely irrelevant question to a discussion about wage spent versus performance.

I have seen the numbers you've given for wages, and it looks like they are out of date. I have given you the updated figures, hence why there is a difference. Liverpool are now 3/4th in the world on wage spend. If you're going to make statements about differences on wage spend (or other areas) it's probably best to use the most up to date information available as a general rule. It's also probably best to approach discussions from a standpoint of attempting to grasp what the discussion is about and contribute to it, rather than using it as platform to repetitively spout fairly elementary financial equations in order to try and show you understand wages to turnover. We have gathered that now. Your next challenge is to know when to use that bit of knowledge appropriately. Id also avoid the inaccurate assumption that just because somebody tactfully ignores irrelevant information they don't understand it. They just understand how and when to apply it.

You haven't posted any source, i posted a link that showed the 19-20 wages of the top 8 clubs from accurate turnover results that were correlated from Companies House (UK), Registro Mercantil (Spain), Italian Business register (Italy) and The Bundesanzeiger Verlagsgesellschaft mbH (Germany).

You have just said you have given updated figures, where are there then, Do you mean updated as in 20-21 wages, are you privy to updated figures for the 20-21 season where turnover results haven't been published yet, what is the source you got them from, or are they updated figures from 19-20, can you post a link to these updated figures that supercede companies houses in those countries which are the final statements for the 19-20 season mate.

 

[cronullasharks]

You haven't posted any source, i posted a link that showed the 19-20 wages of the top 8 clubs from accurate turnover results that were correlated from Companies House (UK), Registro Mercantil (Spain), Italian Business register (Italy) and The Bundesanzeiger Verlagsgesellschaft mbH (Germany).

You have just said you have given updated figures, where are there then, Do you mean updated as in 20-21 wages, are you privy to updated figures for the 20-21 season where turnover results haven't been published yet, what is the source you got them from, or are they updated figures from 19-20, can you post a link to these updated figures that supercede companies houses in those countries which are the final statements for the 19-20 season mate.

The old Bundesanzeiger Verlagsgesellschaft ay. Really is fascinating stuff, do you like alternative premier league tables too baileyjon?

 

[catcherintherye]

You haven't posted any source, i posted a link that showed the 19-20 wages of the top 8 clubs from accurate turnover results that were correlated from Companies House (UK), Registro Mercantil (Spain), Italian Business register (Italy) and The Bundesanzeiger Verlagsgesellschaft mbH (Germany).

You have just said you have given updated figures, where are there then, Do you mean updated as in 20-21 wages, are you privy to updated figures for the 20-21 season where turnover results haven't been published yet, what is the source you got them from, or are they updated figures from 19-20, can you post a link to these updated figures that supercede companies houses in those countries which are the final statements for the 19-20 season mate.

Do you really want me to waste mine, yours and everyone else's time reading here to do that. The figures on the site you quoted show 18/19 date, and the article is from early/mid 2020 so you must know they are a little out of date?

As for updated figures, I am referring to the most up to date financially available information that has been released into the public domain (which isn't what the website you have provided shows).

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Are they in a similar situation to us in that they can't really spend much atm?

 

[Tipp blue]

Carra lar and the rest of the RS vermin will be fuming at the supposed changes to var...
Contact must be enough to make a foul...
Fouls will not be given when their is contact and the players exaggerate in order to try and get a decision...

Manchester United will be relegated.

 

[jaybx1878]

As the new season loom's, always remember.

99.9% of the MUTANTS you see walking round in RS shirts.

Will not attend ONE game at Analfield in 2021-2022.

Spot on, none of them take their kids the match either, in my sons class at school the blues are heavily outnumbered by kopites but all of the blues go the match while none of the reds do.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Are they in a similar situation to us in that they can't really spend much atm?

They can, but their owners wont. They will wait until some idiots give them £50m for Origi, Phillips and Shaqiri. I thought the days of clubs overpaying for their rubbish was over but maybe not. They will just get good prices rather than outrageous ones

 

[PITA]

You haven't posted any source, i posted a link that showed the 19-20 wages of the top 8 clubs from accurate turnover results that were correlated from Companies House (UK), Registro Mercantil (Spain), Italian Business register (Italy) and The Bundesanzeiger Verlagsgesellschaft mbH (Germany).

You have just said you have given updated figures, where are there then, Do you mean updated as in 20-21 wages, are you privy to updated figures for the 20-21 season where turnover results haven't been published yet, what is the source you got them from, or are they updated figures from 19-20, can you post a link to these updated figures that supercede companies houses in those countries which are the final statements for the 19-20 season mate.

God your boring.

 

[Yarrgh]

Do you really want me to waste mine, yours and everyone else's time reading here to do that. The figures on the site you quoted show 18/19 date, and the article is from early/mid 2020 so you must know they are a little out of date?

As for updated figures, I am referring to the most up to date financially available information that has been released into the public domain (which isn't what the website you have provided shows).

I know you might miss some "education" but for the first time I'm considering putting someone on ignore, and to stop wasting your time have you considered doing the same with your "teacher"?

 

[catcherintherye]

I know you might miss some "education" but for the first time I'm considering putting someone on ignore, and to stop wasting your time have you considered doing the same with your "teacher"?

I don't really put anyone on ignore to be honest mate. In general I prefer actually having the discussion. But you kind of hope people won't sidetrack things because there is an inconvenient truth.

 

[cronullasharks]

I don't really put anyone on ignore to be honest mate. In general I prefer actually having the discussion. But you kind of hope people won't sidetrack things because there is an inconvenient truth.

Tbh i hope you make some of this stuff up because you've got the knack for dragging these kopites out for all to see lol

 

[catcherintherye]

Tbh i hope you make some of this stuff up because you've got the knack for dragging these kopites out for all to see lol

Generally speaking, if you tell the truth, in a calm and reasoned manner, you tend to annoy Kopites.

 

[cronullasharks]

Generally speaking, if you tell the truth, in a calm and reasoned manner, you tend to annoy Kopites.

Anything outside of cultish adulation for that shower has them carrying on

 

[catcherintherye]

Anything outside of cultish adulation for that shower has them carrying on

Yes they live in a really weird bubble where they just talk to each other and nobody else. Once their ideas hit the outside world, they look stupid. It's partly why just about every fanbase in the country think they are complete buffoons and can't stand them.