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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

Blue 1 said:
They just can't be arsed to say "Alexander-Arnold", that's all lol
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random said:
Frank Lampard @4:11 in this clip from his presser seems to agree, and doesn't sound like he is confident he will be there




Ferguson on the other hand always seemed to have an eye on the following year and was quoted that he always looked to see what needed changing up even after they swept the board each year.
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There may be a Tuchal shaped shadow lingering in the back ground
 

helpimonfire said:
why do the insist on claiming that having no fans in the stadium has made them lose form? No team has any fans in the ground.

I think they can improve but this is tough now as so many teams have hit form around them. Salah is deffo got a gob on and long may it continue. Klopp ripping into the owners is just stupid. If the form continues for a few more games they will have no chance in the league. So fingers crossed.

I think we need to stop laughing at them though. VAR has been against them since day one. The amount of times it has clearly changed games is truly shocking and I am stunned that the media are staying silent on the matter. They have had biceps and even a hair extension stopping them win games by being called offside by the pathetic VAR. The ball in one game was so far over the line that it was actually in Stanley Park. How VAR could not see the Arriva double decker trip Mane as he was performing Swan Lake is beyond me. It is unfair and it is wrong to laugh at them while every other team is clearly cheating......... Forgive my post but I have just read a few pages of the VAR (huh, yeah, What is it good for? Nothing) thread on RAWK and I got carried away. Takes a deep breath, 1 and a 2 and a 3 . haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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You're very aptly named
 
catcherintherye said:
Hard to see where Alisson goes.

Of the lads they have, Salah probably has the "star quality" that Firmino and Mane don't. He could be called a Galatico and would probably have the character to handle Real Madrid (whereas I'm not sure Mane/Firmino would be of interest). RM have reigned in spending a fair bit recently and will continue to moving forward. I could see them having a punt on Salah, if the price was reasonable, but he would only come in after they sign Mbappe who's clearly number 1 target.

I could easily see them saying to Salah just wait a year, knowing his price just declines as it goes on. Firmino is another one I think has Juventus written all over him, albeit at a knockdown price or really a free transfer. These clubs have become quite smart at taking older players from the PL for knockdown prices.

There's a wider point here though. Players valyes are declining sharply and thiose 28+ are really bearing the sharpest drop. I don't think anyone is bailing them out with those lads.

Before the VVD injury I felt City may have paid silly money (£100-120m) for him. With his injury and their defensive stability though, I just can't see it. Chelsea- again tends to buy younger players now. Arnold has lost form. It's a bit of a perfect storm.

You mentioned about a "fire sale" if they miss top 4. Would you expand on what you believe this might look like?
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It seems to be like there is no strength in depth in defence which is why theyre now having serious problems. We lose 2 or 3 defenders and we change style but they seem to just have nothing new.

Ordinarily they would probably just go and sign one or two defenders good enough to come in and also one top level centre forward.

Now, if they dont reach the champions league then it seems to be that there may be a (looking at Spurs) £100mil hole in their accounts which need to be filled.

So immediately theyre then in a situation where they need to look at contracts, potential fees, wages and ages of players to identify which of them are crucial for a top 4 push next season and which of them can be recycled for younger players at half the cost like Jota.

With that in mind they'll be looking at those starting players over 28 as well as the squad players who arent up to scratch: Shaqiri, Minamino, Origi, Woodburn, Williams × 2 Philipps.

My guess is...

GK: They wont be able to shift for the fee and wages and their backup is 34.

DF: 2 × Williams, Van Den Berg, Philipps all out

FW: Woodburn, Minamino, Shaqiri, Origi all out

I can see them selling those 8 players and then replacing them with 3 or 4 new players at low fees and far lower wages who can play in multiple positions.

Then i think they'll still need to sell two more players which would be from Thiago, Keita, AOC, Mane, Salah, Firminho.

Thats where the fun begins as i find it hard to imagine that anyone would be willing to pay the wages Thiago, Keita or AOC would be on! In addition, Firminho seems to be on the downward slope so i think they would struggle to raise £50mil for him at this point...and thats generous.

Its possible that they could seek to do a swap deal with other teams for these higher pedigree players. But even then, who would want to pay their wages and what would they get in return?

I think it would be very, very hard to offload the players they would 'need' to sell in order to balance the books....even a fire sale situation would be hard because of the wages these players are on and the only three sides who they could perhaps deal with would be Juventus, Madrid and PSG.

In short i think they would be in a very difficult place.
 

Tipp blue said:
In the second one it says he's had 2548 touches, he's given it away 736 times. What is the definition of a touch? Is it from when he gets the ball to when he is no longer in control, a headed clearance is a touch that a lot of the time goes to an opposition player.. whatever the definition is he gives the ball away once in every 3.5 touches, which is horrific.
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I imagine touch is defined by a part of the body making contact with the ball. But thats just me mate
 
davek said:
The ideal sceanrio would unfold like this:

LFC get to the end of the transfer window without buying
Their results continue to flatline
Another long term injury to a key player happens
The Kopites start sending death threats to Henry
Liverpool win nothing this season
Klopp is encouraged to stay on and promised more cash in the summer and does so
Klopp fails to buy well in the summer with what resources are handed to him (mostly from the sale of Salah)
Liverpool hobble through the first part of next season and FSG act and install a new manager
Crisis club Liverpool is resurrected: all out war between fans and owners resulting in a protracted sale of the club
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If you are talking ideal scenario you forgot ... A leak comes to the FA rumours have it that it was a former player, the investigation being into a massive doping scheme, Liverpool found guilty Klopp cry's during the investigation says he just wanted to win and he doesn't think what they did was wrong, the fans rally around Klopp and the players, demanding that the investigation is dropped because this is Liverpool and have won the champions league an amazing 6 times. Phil Thompson gets sacked for suggesting that it should be OK for players to take PEDs. The investigation comes to a conclusion Liverpool are guilty, the latest champions league and pl title are stripped... but.. but.. but 6 times comes the cries of the fans, falling upon def ears the punishment continues a 10 year ban from Europe a 50 point deduction every season for the next 5 years and a transfer ban for 7 seasons.
 
catcherintherye said:
I think FSG are in it for the long haul. The valuation they want will not be met in the good times, never mind in difficult times of the next 4-5 years. Likely they may sell a bit of liquidity to the RB chain if they sell to anyone.

I'd imagine they can borrow against the value of Liverpool, and it's a great cash cow if all else fails.

Klopp will go first. The question is how much damage does he do on the way out.
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Lots I hope
 


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