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Let's talk about: Brian Clough's and Peter Taylor's Nottingham Forest

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Jamo Martinez

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I've always liked talking about teams (not just Everton) from a particular era. Everyone's got memories of great teams that made an impact on football and/or maybe for some personal reason. Could be Brazil of 1970, Revie's (dirty) Leeds, Bobby Robson's Ipswich, Danish Dynamite, Holland/Ajax of Cruyff/Rinus Michels, Sacchi's Milan, Arsenal's invincibles or maybe even Wimbledon's crazy gang. There's loads of material out there for a knowledgeable and passionate group of footie fans such as we have on this fine forum.

I've decided to start with Coughie's Forest as they were the opposition on my first visit to Goodison. My brother told me an absolute truth around that time. You don't need 11 good players to make a good team. It obviously follows that you don't need 11 great players to make a great team. Nobody personified this truth better than Brian Clough. Combining excellent players like Shilton, Archie Gemmil, John Robertson and later Trevor Francis with good or very good players like John O'hare, Viv Anderson and Tony woodcock and what I would describe as yard dogs like Kenny Burns, Larry Lloyd and Peter Withe. The result was infinitely greater than the sum of it's parts.

Over the course of 3 seasons, Forest won a league title, 2 European Cups and 2 League Cups and (maybe more important) bloodied the nose of our loveable neighbours.

Too outspoken for the suits at the FA, Clough was never offered the England job. Another 'what if...' story.

I've no real idea about the ins and outs or finer details of management or how a partnership like this works but everything I've read suggests it would be criminal to underestimate the contribution of Peter Taylor. They were together at Derby County earlier and won a league title there aswell.

Hopefully some of you (err, older members) have more insight and better memories than me.
 


Was once in the queue behind Cloughie in an offy in Derby - didn't say anything as he was a bit focused on his purchases. Other than that, The Damned Utd is one of the great modern novels, and is a fine look at the whole Clough/Taylor dynamic. The film of it is OK, but obviously can't get at the demons in Clough's head in quite the same way. Of Clough & Taylor's Forest team, it has always been a great mystery to me why their European Cup-winning captain McGovern never played for Scotland.
 
Him smacking his own fans around the head will always be an iconic moment.

Sad thing was, he was bladdered. Same when he arranged to meet them and give them a kiss.

But that was near the end. I much prefer the story about him giving pelters to an Everton player about sommet, in the dug out or after a match, and the player said "But I have an *swear swear swear" European final next week."

Expecting an outburst, Clough said, "And I wish you all the best young man"
 
Was once in the queue behind Cloughie in an offy in Derby - didn't say anything as he was a bit focused on his purchases. Other than that, The Damned Utd is one of the great modern novels, and is a fine look at the whole Clough/Taylor dynamic. The film of it is OK, but obviously can't get at the demons in Clough's head in quite the same way. Of Clough & Taylor's Forest team, it has always been a great mystery to me why their European Cup-winning captain McGovern never played for Scotland.

Souness?
 

Maybe... and we had a lot of other good non-superstar midfielders back then - Don Masson, Asa Hartford, Willie Carr, and so on. But surely McGovern could have got at least one cap? His Forest teammates did (Burns, Robertson, Gemmill, O'Hare, etc) . He was better than Rioch, who captained the side at the 78 world cup.
 
As I mentioned, The 3-1 defeat at Goodison in 77 was my first match. In the wild blur of memories of sights, sounds and smells, sadly, one of the clearest is the racial abuse given to Viv Anderson.

Bit of a pioneer as an attacking full back. Was at goodison the following season for a league cup tie when they beat us 3-2 and Anderson scored a screamer.
 
Remember going to watch their first game back in Div 1 at goodison thought it would be a stroll in the park, they wallop us 3.1 became a great side.
Went to that, think we were 1-0 up at half time, then Clough brought some fat get on called John Robertson who proceeded to roast us good and proper. What he achieved with Derby and Forest was outstanding.
 
Great with the kids apparently. Gave an apprentice I knew at the time a fiver I think it was, doing his garden.
A lot of money back then for a thank you.
 
As I mentioned, The 3-1 defeat at Goodison in 77 was my first match. In the wild blur of memories of sights, sounds and smells, sadly, one of the clearest is the racial abuse given to Viv Anderson.

Bit of a pioneer as an attacking full back. Was at goodison the following season for a league cup tie when they beat us 3-2 and Anderson scored a screamer.
Echo headline in the pink that night: "Forest fire too hot for Wood".
 

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