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TheSecondComing said:
It’s not all being done under hand though mate is it?
That’s my point it’s clear as day we signed a deal with USM that’s it. Not under the table.
If we had gone with NEC for example as a sponsor we could argue that Usmanov is afoot but we signed a sponsorship deal with a second hand car company.
Wake up and stop holding onto the notion Usmanov is funnelling money in he’s not.

It’s distracting us from the real issues.
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Which is how smart is Usmanov if you can't see how he's doing it...getting somebody he has totally no connection with to do it...allegedly.
 
TheSecondComing said:
Yeah you’ve not said anything there that says to me she’s the best fit a multi-million pound company.

We all know she cares and she was doing a superb job with EITC and that’s the way it should have been left but we should have got someone who knows how to run a multi-million pound company.
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Everybody who runs a multi mullion pound company at some point would have been questioned whether they were a best fit.

She appears to be doing a much better job than Elstone did, however it's not something us fans can judge really because we don't know the facts. We dont know all the figures, we dont know what has changed, how the club operates. It's also not something we can measure on the pitch either, as you can get everything right off the pitch and still have someone getting it wrong on it (and vice versa). All we can sy the club appears to be in a better position now than it was under Elstone, so credit to her.

Ultimately we can never know for sure can we? I dont think there is a single reason to have a go at her/the club for her being in the position she is, she is clearly well respected within football and the club. Also not like players where us fans can go "Why haven't we gone for X Y or Z". Ultimately off the pitch its pure business world.
 
gwladysnight said:
Usmanov hasn't committed anything though. The funding has come from USM. Moshiri is the chairman of USM and a major shareholder.

USM is a company with various shareholders the principal ones being Alisher Usmanov, Vladimir Skoch, Farhad Moshiri and Ivan Streshinsky.

It could be the whole of USM who are putting the funding in. It could be Usmanov using USM as a vehicle to fund us or it could be Moshiri using USM to bypass FFP. Until Usmanov formally comes on board we won't know.
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That's 4 very, very rich people you mentioned there. Poor Farhad is the least wealthy but the cleanest to the authorities.

Skoch has sanctions against him. I'm not sure about Streshinsky (though he may be skirting a fine line alongside Alisher). If any or all of the other members of that quartet are involved, then we certainly have some serious financial oomph behind us. I would think that USM is a good vehicle in which to make money from the docks with Everton as a nice piece of ribbon on top of the parcel. Whilst Usmanov obviously enjoys sport and the prestige of being involved in it (whatever that may be), I don't think that he will risk being overtly involved until any threat of sanction is removed. I don't see Skoch and Streshinsky ever being connected unless geopolitical matters well above any football team are resolved.

It would be very interesting if Everton did a pre-season tour of Russia, who would be in the hospitality box.
 
gwladysnight said:
Usmanov hasn't committed anything though. The funding has come from USM. Moshiri is the chairman of USM and a major shareholder.

USM is a company with various shareholders the principal ones being Alisher Usmanov, Vladimir Skoch, Farhad Moshiri and Ivan Streshinsky.

It could be the whole of USM who are putting the funding in. It could be Usmanov using USM as a vehicle to fund us or it could be Moshiri using USM to bypass FFP. Until Usmanov formally comes on board we won't know.
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USM has literally put money into the club, and Usmanov is the majority shareholder. There is just enough distance to jot fall foul of the regulations, thats about it.

The reality is, USM are paying way over the odds for sponsorships. Multiple newspapers, in multiple countries describe him as our owner. There hasn't been a single refutation from anyone at the club. It's even widely agreed he met Carlo Ancelotti before Ancelotti agreed to become manager (as he is said to have met other managers too). It could all just be one big coincidence, but in general multiple coincidences rarely exist.

Whether he is or isn't, we have recieved backing that only 2 clubs in this country, and 3 clubs in the world could really better (Chelsea, City and PGS) and it's unlikely to stop anytime soon, with Usmanov's nearest descendent now in the formal employ of the club.

The pipe dream, is to suggest he has no involvement, when you weigh up the evidence.
 

Yarrgh said:
That's 4 very, very rich people you mentioned there. Poor Farhad is the least wealthy but the cleanest to the authorities.

Skoch has sanctions against him. I'm not sure about Streshinsky (though he may be skirting a fine line alongside Alisher). If any or all of the other members of that quartet are involved, then we certainly have some serious financial oomph behind us. I would think that USM is a good vehicle in which to make money from the docks with Everton as a nice piece of ribbon on top of the parcel. Whilst Usmanov obviously enjoys sport and the prestige of being involved in it (whatever that may be), I don't think that he will risk being overtly involved until any threat of sanction is removed. I don't see Skoch and Streshinsky ever being connected unless geopolitical matters well above any football team are resolved.

It would be very interesting if Everton did a pre-season tour of Russia, who would be in the hospitality box.
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Moshiri is Usmanov's accountant really. Yes he has wealth far beyond the reported 2.5bn but he is the clean face, as you say to get things done. There is serious backing beyond him. How far it goes beyond Usmanov I have no idea.
 
brieverton said:
The one thing about Usmanov that does genuinely puzzle me, and this is on the basis that he is intent on becoming majority shareholder depending on conditions being met at a later date, is that he hasn't used his silent influence to assist Moshiri to overhaul our board and senior management team.

Having his nephew work with the womens team isn't exactly a strategic move on his part, no disrespect to them. In fact, its more in keeping with the notion that this is just a bit of fun between mates.

When Elstone left, I half expected we might see a Russian CEO or someone appointed as the result of a global search process.

The board and senior management in some parts look as staid as they did under Kenwrights ownership.

Surely if Usmanov was serious about us, he would be exerting much more influence in ensuring a transformation to a leaner, more professional, commercially driven business, rather than the excess and poor spending we've seen? You don't allow a business to continue in this vein, and make the job of rescuing it all the more difficult down the line.
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Sasha Ryzantsev says hello. From my understanding he was dealing with the most important matters in hand such as the the dock move. Denise BB and the rest are certainly very competent and probably fit the niceties of the roles the board have to adhere to.
 
catcherintherye said:
USM has literally put money into the club, and Usmanov is the majority shareholder. There is just enough distance to jot fall foul of the regulations, thats about it.

The reality is, USM are paying way over the odds for sponsorships. Multiple newspapers, in multiple countries describe him as our owner. There hasn't been a single refutation from anyone at the club. It's even widely agreed he met Carlo Ancelotti before Ancelotti agreed to become manager (as he is said to have met other managers too). It could all just be one big coincidence, but in general multiple coincidences rarely exist.

Whether he is or isn't, we have recieved backing that only 2 clubs in this country, and 3 clubs in the world could really better (Chelsea, City and PGS) and it's unlikely to stop anytime soon, with Usmanov's nearest descendent now in the formal employ of the club.

The pipe dream, is to suggest he has no involvement, when you weigh up the evidence.
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I get all that but why did we sign a deal with a company that hasn’t even produced its first set of accounts for a figure we received 3 years ago.
 
catcherintherye said:
Moshiri is Usmanov's accountant really. Yes he has wealth far beyond the reported 2.5bn but he is the clean face, as you say to get things done. There is serious backing beyond him. How far it goes beyond Usmanov I have no idea.
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If it goes beyond Usmanov, then we'd be looking at Tony Hibbert lookalikes in charge. I don't think that is the case, although I am sure that he has a high level knowledge of what the likes of Usmanov are doing and what they are going to do and how it affects things for him and the state.
 

TheSecondComing said:
Yeah you’ve not said anything there that says to me she’s the best fit a multi-million pound company.

We all know she cares and she was doing a superb job with EITC and that’s the way it should have been left but we should have got someone who knows how to run a multi-million pound company.
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I mean, there is also the fact that the Regional Mayor trusts her to deliver what could be the regions single most important infrastructure project in 50+ years, potentially delivering to the local economy 15x what the Bramley Moore Stadium will.

But hey, person on internet seems to think shes no good...

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TheSecondComing said:
get all that but why did we sign a deal with a company that hasn’t even produced its first set of accounts for a figure we received 3 years ago.
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Couple of reasons:

First we are on the edge of a global recession so maybe there weren't many better deals out there atm
Secondly, it doesn't matter how many twitter followers a company has or if its produced its first set of accounts. It has significant backing and was willing to pay us nearly 10m a season
Betting companies have a ceiling in terms of sponsorship, hence why none of the big clubs have them, and could also be banned within few years. We've made a strategic decision which will be better for us long-term.
As stated in reports, we can now make regional betting agreements which would make the overall sponsorship income better than before.

The only figure that matters is the total commercial income. If that figure can be increased by tactically reducing/keeping another one the same. So be it.
 
murphy89 said:
Couple of reasons:

First we are on the edge of a global recession so maybe there weren't many better deals out there atm
Secondly, it doesn't matter how many twitter followers a company has or if its produced its first set of accounts. It has significant backing and was willing to pay us nearly 10m a season
Betting companies have a ceiling in terms of sponsorship, hence why none of the big clubs have them, and could also be banned within few years. We've made a strategic decision which will be better for us long-term.
As stated in reports, we can now make regional betting agreements which would make the overall sponsorship income better than before.

The only figure that matters is the total commercial income. If that figure can be increased by tactically reducing/keeping another one the same. So be it.
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Good points mate cheers, maybe we’ve already talked about if it grows as it does the possibility of a continued larger deal at the end of the current deal.

Maybe synergy may be that we hope by the time 3 year come new stadium and playing in Europe again and in turn they have hit so many KPI’s.

I was just hoping for something better but maybe the bigger picture is at play here, we will see.
 
TheSecondComing said:
Oh he is, do you know who he is?

DBB isn’t a bad person but we should have aimed higher plus you’ll have to get me something tangible she’s done that’s better than Elstone.

He’s here because we agreed to pay him what he wants and promised him time in the job something he kind of craves again.
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woops you got Keith Harris wrong like you’ve probably got usmanov wrong. Have a day off from slagging the club
 

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