Project restart discussion.

[Tin-Tin]

Christian Purslow on Villa's neutral ground stance. Echoing Brighton owner. Pl need 14 teams to agree.

Assuming Norwich, Villa, Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham and Brighton all feel the same, they need either Southampton or Newcastle to get onboard. Or maybe snother club who could still get dragged into it as most of their points come at home (looks to us and our 'away' record)


On Tuesday the chief executive of the League Managers Association, Richard Bevan, said he expected the season would be cancelled if clubs did not agree to neutral venues but Purslow argues the plan would punish clubs such as Villa, who have taken 17 of their 25 points at home. Concluding the season would bring television revenue but Purslow pointed out the financial cost of being relegated after playing all games away from Villa Park could be far greater"

“At the bottom end of the table there’s a much smaller revenue base but the risk of relegation is probably a £200m catastrophe for any club that mathematically could still go down,” Purslow told TalkSport. “When you say to any club, ‘We want you to agree to a bunch of rule changes that may make it more likely that you get relegated’, they’re not thinking about TV money, they’re thinking: ‘My goodness, am I going to agree to something that results in me being relegated and losing £200m?”’

 

[Chris O'Connor]

I may be misunderstanding this here but isn’t Madrid far more densely populated than London per square KM looking at those figures.

No Boris you're quite right, I've given the figures for the administrative areas rather than the cities themselves.

To start with there's an obvious difference, and so many references just give this figure (which is what i copied) but actual cities are defined by how many are in it themselves. – and yes, London is on top.

To avoid getting bogged down in the detail of each individual census, national statistics office, or city population office, here’s the listing of cities by population within city limits.

1. London, UK: 8,673,713

2. Berlin, Germany: 3,670,999

3. Madrid, Spain: 3,131,991

4. Rome, Italy: 2,870,336

5. Paris, France: 2,224,000

6. Bucharest, Romania: 2,106,144

7. Vienna, Austria: 1,657,960

8. Hamburg, Germany: 1,787,408

9. Budapest, Hungary: 1,759,407

10. Warsaw, Poland: 1,748,916

If you take into account the international hub London is, certainly the most important in Europe and rivals anywhere in the world then London realistically has a lot more than 8.6m people. The working population dwarfs the city's population.

 

[Remember-the-name]

Everton and Liverpool warned that PL season could be 'cancelled'

LMA chief Richard Bevan sounds warning over Premier League campaign if neutral venue plan is not agreed on

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Walken]

1860 Munich.

Gotta be st brassy, i mean pauli

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Just come of the phone with a mate of mine who has had an idea regarding the PL reducing the playing time in the games to be played...
If they reduce the playing time to say 70 minutes then retrospectively reduce every game already played this season to the score that the game was at after
70 minutes. Then work out the points and league table positions. That would most certainly help to protect the integrity of the league...

 

[Nymzee]

Just come of the phone with a mate of mine who has had an idea regarding the PL reducing the playing time in the games to be played...
If they reduce the playing time to say 70 minutes then retrospectively reduce every game already played this season to the score that the game was at after
70 minutes. Then work out the points and league table positions. That would most certainly help to protect the integrity of the league...

Does this mate live in Broadmoor by any chance?

 

[NathDogg]

Coronavirus: Kalou suspended by Hertha for flouting safety rules in social media video - BBC Sport

Former Chelsea forward Salomon Kalou is suspended by Hertha Berlin after filming himself flouting social distancing rules on his return to training.

www.bbc.com

Sorry if this has already been mentioned previously in the thread?

So the Germans have suspended this guy for not following social distancing rules and not taking the coronavirus seriously. This was two days ago? The guy, whilst being a bit of a smeghead for his actions, had just been told of his negative test result, and touched other players who were also given negative tests results, so what's the problem here?

Today the Germans are willing to restart the league and allow the same players to man mark, tackle, grapple, sweat, spit, push, shove and do all the other physical aspects of playing full contact football, with no concerns for social distancing, aside from playing behind closed doors?! Can someone explain this as my lockdown brain cannot compute? What am I missing?

 

[toffee82]

Does this mate live in Broadmoor by any chance?

Probably works for the league.

It's not much more ridiculous than some of the suggestions.

 

[ricer10]

Bang On!
We have approximately 5x the levels of infection across the UK compared to Germany and 4x the numbers of deaths with a population that is circa only 80% of Germany. Any attempt at using Germany as a benchmark or yardstick is at the very least highly disingenuous and nothing more than being totally fraudulent.

They are only going to use it as a benchmark to start up .....I firmly believe that the PL only want to play long enough to have the title clinched. As soon as that happens ...we'll need to stop for public safety etc. etc. Maybe schedule a couple of playoff relegation games ...that's it. Heaven forbid the rs bottle it and can't get 2 quick wins ! It is absolutely farcical to me that the season has not already been called off !

 

[catcherintherye]

Just as an aside, can you keep your amateur political rants out of Everton-related articles you post on this website please? It's really cringeworthy and grating. Thanks.

You don't have to read them Jamie! I'm not sure I've had that many political rants, they are more just football/statistical rants aren't they?

 

[catcherintherye]

This is what irony looks like.

I never thought it was the politics that made the articles cringeworthy and grating, just the length!

 

[catcherintherye]

If you count massive contributory factors, by far the most obvious being population density, then Germany which has a relatively high density (though nothing anywhere near the UK), sticks out even more so.

Germany and South Korea have defied the trend and kept extremely low numbers despite mitigating factors against such achievements.

Comparing across countries is fraught with difficulty as it's nowhere near like with like, far too many variables not just in reporting, but known massive contributory factors such as population density which really affects the resultant expectancy hugely (of both deaths and cases generally).

The UK dwarfs the other major European countries for population density and has by far the most populous city in the international hub, London (numbers and density).

Numbers tell a story but you tend to get a hugely false one when massive mitigating factors are just plainly ignored or virtually unreported.

Tbf the scientists do say comparing across countries isn't great as not like with like, but don't have the time to list the largest mitigating factors.

This is why Germany stands out and is so impressive, not just against the UK but everyone (bar South Korea) as it has low numbers despite a relatively high population density (nowhere near the UK though)

The UK perhaps should be expected to have the largest numbers (and by some way) given the demography.

Yes all fair points. Germany have just done a lot more tests than we have, at times hundreds of thousands more. There seems to be this perspective that we can just follow Germany. We are weeks behind Germany in terms of flattening the curve. They can risk a slight uptick, whereas in our situation that would be dangerous. I am flabbergasted though, that they look at Germany and think we can emulate them in a similar time frame.

 

[barneygumble]

They are only going to use it as a benchmark to start up .....I firmly believe that the PL only want to play long enough to have the title clinched. As soon as that happens ...we'll need to stop for public safety etc. etc. Maybe schedule a couple of playoff relegation games ...that's it. Heaven forbid the rs bottle it and can't get 2 quick wins ! It is absolutely farcical to me that the season has not already been called off !

Said this for ages.

i think they want to push 2-3 games, to give a “clearer” idea of what would happen.

If Liverpool clinch the league, then there’s one less factor, If Norwich lose all three games, then they’re realistically less likely to be staying up.

have to remember, we were going to carry on until Arteta got a case confirmed.

They’re trying to stop the Lawsuirs, but to risk people’s likes to do it? Very dodgy.

 

[Saint Domingo]

How selfish of clubs thinking about their survival when Liverpool have a trophy to win. Utterly utterly selfish.

 

[catcherintherye]

Christian Purslow on Villa's neutral ground stance. Echoing Brighton owner. Pl need 14 teams to agree.

Assuming Norwich, Villa, Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham and Brighton all feel the same, they need either Southampton or Newcastle to get onboard. Or maybe snother club who could still get dragged into it as most of their points come at home (looks to us and our 'away' record)


On Tuesday the chief executive of the League Managers Association, Richard Bevan, said he expected the season would be cancelled if clubs did not agree to neutral venues but Purslow argues the plan would punish clubs such as Villa, who have taken 17 of their 25 points at home. Concluding the season would bring television revenue but Purslow pointed out the financial cost of being relegated after playing all games away from Villa Park could be far greater"

“At the bottom end of the table there’s a much smaller revenue base but the risk of relegation is probably a £200m catastrophe for any club that mathematically could still go down,” Purslow told TalkSport. “When you say to any club, ‘We want you to agree to a bunch of rule changes that may make it more likely that you get relegated’, they’re not thinking about TV money, they’re thinking: ‘My goodness, am I going to agree to something that results in me being relegated and losing £200m?”’

If Leicester or Chelsea get the nod they can have CL, or even United if the season was cancelled easy to see them coming on board. More broadly, the ramification will be greater. There may well be the threat that if we go down, following neutral grounds, we will sue that would spook many teams. It's likely a team wins an open and shut case and probably bankrupt the league in the process.

Their best bet is to say no relegation. However if you do that, it probably means no title and broadcasters may not go for it. They'd be just as easy to void.