Usmanov

[blueblue]

They won it and now are 3rd when was the last time we were in the top 4 at this stage of the season, that's twice for them in a few years.

In the longer term which club would you think has the better prospects ?
Look forward over a ten year period , I think the new ground, the wealthy owners, the appointment of an elite manager may indicate that although Moshiri undoubtedly made mistakes during his time as owner that finally the pieces of the jigsaw are falling into place.

In fact, he really only made one major mistake.... not going after and appointing an elite manager after RM was sacked.

 

[boris]

Have I really just read that THE most successful, the most decorated manager in the world currently managing in the game doesn’t know how to make players better....Jeezus.

 

[Saint Domingo]

In the longer term which club would you think has the better prospects ?
Look forward over a ten year period , I think the new ground, the wealthy owners, the appointment of an elite manager may indicate that although Moshiri undoubtedly made mistakes during his time as owner that finally the pieces of the jigsaw are falling into place.

In fact, he really only made one major mistake.... not going after and appointing an elite manager after RM was sacked.

In fairness he thought he had. He appointed Koeman who had taken on Pochettino’s work at Southampton and actually done better, was a trophy winner in Europe and had a good record away at the top teams. He didn’t know that as soon as he arrived Koeman would just sack off on the golf course, preside over the worst transfer window in the history of the club and treat the whole thing as an audition for the Barcelona job.

 

[tommye]

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[tommye]

Have I really just read that THE most successful, the most decorated manager in the world currently managing in the game doesn’t know how to make players better....Jeezus.

Everton that

 

[catcherintherye]

cant believe you can model ten years into the future. I’m sure we’ll be worse off having banked 200 million and the increased revenues from the stadium over that period. May as well not do it at all based on your scenario above.

Surely the broader question in this is why is Moshiri going to sell? He looks very well embedded into the football club and the City to me. He's a relatively young man, in great health with access to the best healthcare available.

Meanwhile Usmanov's nearest family descendent has taken on a formal position working as (in essence) a CEO of the woman's side. This is in all likelihood preparatory for what follows, and would not be surprised at all if he gets his foot in the door to see him on our board. The likelihood is Usmanovs wealth will (at least in part) be transferred down to him, and there will be a strong familial connection to the club, long beyond Usmanov's death.

So the idea Moshiri is looking to sell within 10 years seems to have little evidence to me.

 

[catcherintherye]

In fairness he thought he had. He appointed Koeman who had taken on Pochettino’s work at Southampton and actually done better, was a trophy winner in Europe and had a good record away at the top teams. He didn’t know that as soon as he arrived Koeman would just sack off on the golf course, preside over the worst transfer window in the history of the club and treat the whole thing as an audition for the Barcelona job.

The Koeman appointment made a lot of sense, and I do think they felt they were getting an Ancelotti esque manager in Koeman, who was experienced and able to manage the pressure and expectations well enough.

I mean it's easy to make big conclusions, as Koeman had started quite well, but even at this stage I had reservations over Koeman. He had already shifted his playing style radically from what he said he would do (and did at Spurs) and the performances at Watford, Burnley, Swansea etc were a bit red flag to me. This was within his first 12-13 games.

You look at Ancelotti, we got hammered at Chelsea (as did Koeman) but in the winnable games, in general we have played much better. We've not been outplayed and looked clueless in any of the games. He just feels much more confident and calm in the role that Koeman ever did. He also sounds like he wants to be here long term, which I never really felt from Koeman.

The logic was ok with Koeman. However it's also been suggested they wanted to bail on Koeman before they appointed him, but felt it was too late in. They should have listened to their gut feelings.

 

[tommye]

Uncle Uzi's blue and white army

 

[Toffeelover]

In the longer term which club would you think has the better prospects ?
Look forward over a ten year period , I think the new ground, the wealthy owners, the appointment of an elite manager may indicate that although Moshiri undoubtedly made mistakes during his time as owner that finally the pieces of the jigsaw are falling into place.

In fact, he really only made one major mistake.... not going after and appointing an elite manager after RM was sacked.

That, but who was available then?

 

[Toffeelover]

In fairness he thought he had. He appointed Koeman who had taken on Pochettino’s work at Southampton and actually done better, was a trophy winner in Europe and had a good record away at the top teams. He didn’t know that as soon as he arrived Koeman would just sack off on the golf course, preside over the worst transfer window in the history of the club and treat the whole thing as an audition for the Barcelona job.

And to bolster his pension fund for very little effort.

 

[Gardocki]

The issue is in 10 years moshiri sells, the new owner won't get the naming rights money, where does that leave us.

I'm pretty sure he could of gotten around it, aswell as shirt sponsers, we need to be hitting at least 300-350m turnover when the stadium is in use to build a great team

Any potential future purchaser will base their offer price on the value of the club, including the value/security of the naming rights. It doesn’t leave us anywhere. It leaves Moshiri in a place where he needs to optimise the value of the club long term.

 

[Toffeelover]

Any potential future purchaser will base their offer price on the value of the club, including the value/security of the naming rights. It doesn’t leave us anywhere. It leaves Moshiri in a place where he needs to optimise the value of the club long term.

With a new stadium like BMD being used the club's value would soon escalate.

 

[blueblue]

That, but who was available then?

When you look at the money we were prepared to spend and the salary we pay there would always be high quality managers interested.

 

[blueblue]

In fairness he thought he had. He appointed Koeman who had taken on Pochettino’s work at Southampton and actually done better, was a trophy winner in Europe and had a good record away at the top teams. He didn’t know that as soon as he arrived Koeman would just sack off on the golf course, preside over the worst transfer window in the history of the club and treat the whole thing as an audition for the Barcelona job.

We all hoped he had , but even then, there were plenty on here who were pointing out that Koeman although not a young manager any more did not have a very successful career in management( I was not one of the people who made that point).
Ancelotti may not be successful at Everton but he has been a massively successful manager through a trophy laden career.

 

[Toffeelover]

When you look at the money we were prepared to spend and the salary we pay there would always be high quality managers interested.

But which exactly high quality manager was available?