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LostLegend said:
He was an already convicted paedophile.

No idea if he was actually guilty on his more recent charges but there is no denying that he was an actual abusive, child trafficking paedophile, because he was convicted for it.

There’s a difference there.
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Just saying maybe we should keep an open mind considering he wasn't actually convicted of the offences that he was being held on remand for despite it flying in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

If someone isn't convicted and dies awaiting trial it is just natural that there will forever be speculation and stories by people and media. With no official conclusion people are free to draw their own.

Blaming the media for Caroline Flack's death seems ridiculous and an easy target.
 

Charro said:
That means she deserved to feel the way she did to end up taking her own life?

Nobody knows what was going on in her life.

Soon as she was arrested the press should stop reporting on it, social media should stop piling in and justice should run its course.

Instead everyone has to jump in, make a bad situation even worse and look at the end result.
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As soon as she was arrested people shouldn't have reported on it?

Never going to happen, it was a newsworthy story that people wanted to read about.

Would that be the case just for her or for any celebrity? Or any person?

Or any person with mental health problems? Because i know that if that was the case any legal team would be getting their client prescribed in the first instance to create a media blackout.

Smacks too much of censorship that to me.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Blaming the media for Caroline Flack's death seems ridiculous and an easy target.
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Like I've said elsewhere, I think it's fair to surmise that their intrusion played a part in her death, but to say they alone are responsible is unjust and crass.

No person should be pushed to feel like she did and we as a society must do more, however (it may be unpopular to say this) the whole saga started in that room.
 

Keiran said:
I’m sorry mate but severe depression, bipolar or not (and there’s no evidence she had either of those) they are still NO excuse, no excuse whatsoever, for the violent, bloody attack on a sleeping partner.

And those are the facts of the case. They are undisputed and she didn’t want her day in court, which probably contributed to this tragic situation.

Let’s assume she had depression, that doesn’t in any way shape or form mean she is immune from punishment or isn’t subject to the legal system.

She broke the law, violently, and that has consequences. Particularly for a person who makes their living in the public eye. They were consequences she sadly couldn’t cope with.
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Yes she broke the law, probably her first major offence, she may have faced jail time or she may have got a suspended sentence/community service being a first offence. The poor girl was more than likely fearing the former and how it would affect her future career but in no way would she have avoided going to court nor would have wanted to, that fear coupled with the press intrusion and the social media backlash ultimately led her to take that tragic decision on Friday because despite a big network support of friends, colleagues, family even her partner, she felt that was the only way to deal with it
 
Charro said:
That means she deserved to feel the way she did to end up taking her own life?

Nobody knows what was going on in her life.

Soon as she was arrested the press should stop reporting on it, social media should stop piling in and justice should run its course.

Instead everyone has to jump in, make a bad situation even worse and look at the end result.
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I didn’t say she deserved anything. Let’s have a sensible discussion without implying that either side is happy that a woman has committed suicide because that’s not the case.

If you commit a crime in this country, you will face a punishment set out by the courts. She was no different. If you’re a lorry driver and you are caught drink-driving, you will almost certainly lose your job.

She committed a violent act on her sleeping partner. That is abhorrent. I’m sure she did just want it all to go away, wouldn’t anyone in that situation? But unfortunately that’s not how it works. When you live your life in the public eye, you are not entitled to the same level of privacy as the average Joe.
 
Megatron said:
Yes she broke the law, probably her first major offence, she may have faced jail time or she may have got a suspended sentence/community service being a first offence. The poor girl was more than likely fearing the former and how it would affect her future career but in no way would she have avoided going to court nor would have wanted to, that fear coupled with the press intrusion and the social media backlash ultimately led her to take that tragic decision on Friday because despite a big network support of friends, colleagues, family even her partner, she felt that was the only way to deal with it
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Objection. Speculation. You can't possibly have insight into the defendant's state of mind
 
Megatron said:
Yes she broke the law, probably her first major offence, she may have faced jail time or she may have got a suspended sentence/community service being a first offence. The poor girl was more than likely fearing the former and how it would affect her future career
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If the supposed details of the case are correct, I would suspect that she'd have received a custodial: domestic abuse; pre-mediated; couldn't defend himself.

I'm not trying to intentionally be insensitive here, but rather point out that I suspect her barrister would have made this clear to her during their pre-trial discussions.

As such, you're right that it would have almost certainly weighed heavily on her.
 
Keiran said:
I didn’t say she deserved anything. Let’s have a sensible discussion without implying that either side is happy that a woman has committed suicide because that’s not the case.

If you commit a crime in this country, you will face a punishment set out by the courts. She was no different. If you’re a lorry driver and you are caught drink-driving, you will almost certainly lose your job.

She committed a violent act on her sleeping partner. That is abhorrent. I’m sure she did just want it all to go away, wouldn’t anyone in that situation? But unfortunately that’s not how it works. When you live your life in the public eye, you are not entitled to the same level of privacy as the average Joe.
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Allegedly committed a violent act?

It is well report that he does not agree with the CPS version of events.
 

B17BLG said:
Allegedly committed a violent act?

It is well report that he does not agree with the CPS version of events.
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Yet, the CPS have continued with the charges and it was going in front of the bench next month. Why would they unless the evidence suggested a conviction?

Knowing the CPS, they would not be going for the conviction, unless they (on the balance of probability) felt that there was a strong possibility of a guilty verdict.
 
B17BLG said:
Allegedly committed a violent act?

It is well report that he does not agree with the CPS version of events.
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It’s not alleged. A violent crime absolutely took place, that’s not disputed by anyone. The picture of the room afterward showed blood everywhere and his statement at the time was that she hit him over the head with a lamp while he slept.

The fact that they subsequently got back together and he did not want to press charges, is hardly relevant to what has transpired since.

She committed a violent crime and deserved to be punished for that. It’s terrible what she chose to do afterward, I wish that wasn’t the case, but it’s stretching the truth to place the blame squarely at the door of the press here.
 
Keiran said:
I didn’t say she deserved anything. Let’s have a sensible discussion without implying that either side is happy that a woman has committed suicide because that’s not the case.

If you commit a crime in this country, you will face a punishment set out by the courts. She was no different. If you’re a lorry driver and you are caught drink-driving, you will almost certainly lose your job.

She committed a violent act on her sleeping partner. That is abhorrent. I’m sure she did just want it all to go away, wouldn’t anyone in that situation? But unfortunately that’s not how it works. When you live your life in the public eye, you are not entitled to the same level of privacy as the average Joe.
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Where and when was she found guilty mate as you have stated.
 

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