Is revolution the way forward?

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A restructuring of the club may all be fair and good, but seriously, that would mess up everything Moyes has worked for.

We talked about how this is our best ever squad in the summer, because this is how the Moyes project was rolling on. This is how far we have gone. Selling our rather well-adjusted band of evertonians, who mostly understand what playing for this club and for Moyes is all about, is much rather a way backward, square one like.

We're still a good team. Financially, we're crap. But we got great kids coming through and values growing daily. One of them is Rodwell, who shouldn't be leaving anywhere just yet.
 

A restructuring of the club may all be fair and good, but seriously, that would mess up everything Moyes has worked for.

We talked about how this is our best ever squad in the summer, because this is how the Moyes project was rolling on. This is how far we have gone. Selling our rather well-adjusted band of evertonians, who mostly understand what playing for this club and for Moyes is all about, is much rather a way backward, square one like.

We're still a good team. Financially, we're crap. But we got great kids coming through and values growing daily. One of them is Rodwell, who shouldn't be leaving anywhere just yet.

I seriously understand your view mate..But Moyes has gone wrong somewhere cos if this is the best squad he has had then it's not working something has to be adjusted , whether that is selling a few players to create funds to bring in players then so be it..

Replacing the board like many suggest is a long drawn out affair , I know they are struggling to generate funds for Moyes but at least we are stable at the moment
 
I have no problem selling good players to buy. But completely decimating the midfield will spell relegation. It's just not smart.
 
I seriously understand your view mate..But Moyes has gone wrong somewhere cos if this is the best squad he has had then it's not working something has to be adjusted , whether that is selling a few players to create funds to bring in players then so be it..

Replacing the board like many suggest is a long drawn out affair , I know they are struggling to generate funds for Moyes but at least we are stable at the moment

I would not say we are stable with this board something is very wrong if we are getting rid of players and not replacing them.The only way we would restructure the squad is if we got relegated other than that we would have no choice but to sell a few in the summer but not jags,screech,baines,arteta or distin in my eyes.On rodders we might have to sell to move foreward thats the way we do things under kenshine
 

All very good points, and the Times columists are usually well appointed to make these comments, but in times austerity, can a meagre club such as us command such a stance on our players?
 
There are theories that selling players when they are in the 28-29 year range, especially for clubs with limited resources, to make way for youngsters (and raise cash) is a very good way to go. If someone were to write an article suggesting that I may agree. To suggest selling Rodwell makes no sense -- if we were to sell the likes of Cahill and Arteta (which I am not suggesting we should) the only logical reason would be to let Rodwell and other youngsters grow together. In addition, to suggest selling Jags instead of Heitinga shows a lack of even the most basic familiarity with the goings on at Goodison in recent months. Looks like the article is just an RS on a windup.
 
Absolute insanity. Let me get this straight...to improve our club we must sell most of our best players? And the ones that are left are going to be overjoyed at this prospect? No they will be handing in transfer requests left and right. Madness. Selling Rodwell at 19 years old right after he signed a long term contract is the silliest thing I've heard in a long, long time.

I'll repeat my mantra. You know what the easiest path to success is? FOR THE PLAYERS WE HAVE IN OUR SQUAD TO START PLAYING TO THEIR POTENTIAL!
 

I seriously understand your view mate..But Moyes has gone wrong somewhere cos if this is the best squad he has had then it's not working something has to be adjusted , whether that is selling a few players to create funds to bring in players then so be it..

Replacing the board like many suggest is a long drawn out affair , I know they are struggling to generate funds for Moyes but at least we are stable at the moment

Ultimately, i think we all want to replace the board and get more money. But even still, the Moyes project is all about making things work after the cold facts of finance and contract talks are established. And those facts are not pretty at all, obviously. We might consider ourselves a real top-place-challenging team, and we've been that good recently, though this development has stagnated. We're back to the Asbo days with this season, back to yoyoing between 4th and 16th place. This year will be one of the latter types of seasons, unfortunately, but we're not in a tragic state. We're poor, but stable. We know what we can do, but we focus, in these silly-season days, on what we can't do.

But we've been here before. Come saturday, we'll crash and burn at Chelsea and all of us will turn our optimism towards next august. COYB!
 
PMSL at that.

He blithely excuses the board's responsiblilities in all this with: "Bill Kenwright, as everyone knows, cannot furnish Moyes with money."

So it's a free pass for the owners of the club and Moyes has to sell all his quality players and start again?

I detect Ian Ross' fingerprints all over this one. Another journo pointed in the right direction by the Everton Politburo.
 
It's an interesting article;

Now if there really is not just no money BUT an urgent need to reduce the wage-bill/get some money into the club then selling off some of our bigger assets is probably the only way forward.

However, if he seriously thinks we'll fetch £50m in the summer through selling arteta/Jags/Cahill/Rodwell, then unless man City come in for all 4, im afraid he is grossly overestimating their genuine value as we'd do well to get £35m.

In any case, regardless of the fees, the trouble is that if we did sell the aforemetioned quartet (or sold off the core of this squad during the summer), any of our other 'big' players who remain are then going to want to follow them out. Fellaini, for example is going to hardly want to stay and sign a new deal in these circumstances. Plus, would Moyes have the stomach and patience to stick with us thorugh such a lengthy and potentially unfulfilling rebuilding period?

There's more questions than answers... and there always will be as long as we remain under the control of the current inhabitants.
 
If there is someone you don't agree with or because he supports Liverpool the person is classed as a snide...Thats an immature response and you know it..I have loads of Kopite mates who are sound and respect Everton..

The article made some good points , I believe we have to get rid of some of the dead wood and freshen the side up a bit..Arteta has become half the player he was maybe because he is on a fat wage packet and his job is safe..

Cashing in on Rodwell now for 20 odd million make sense if we can get 3 or 4 players out of that , he is not even getting a game anyway..

IMO the players to put up for sale would be...Arteta , Heitinga , Neville , Yakubu , Rodwell...Would get the wage bill down for starters and bring in some needed funds to freshen up the squad..


Ive said on another thread that we could do without Rodwell and sell him for a good fee to help us fund our own improvements, with the money fetched in for him we could atleast get 2 or 3 good signings for that. In the article the bloke makes a good point about Rodwell - 'though cashing in on Jack Rodwell may not be such a bad idea, given that his value outweighs his current usefulness', and IMO he's right.

We could sacrifice one player in Rodwell for a good fee from anything from 20 to 25 million so that we could sign a couple of wingers and a striker of the quality that we need and still keep the main core of our team, the likes of Jags, Baines, Felli, Arteta and Cahill, i wouldnt sell Arteta like you have suggested as he's only out of form, he'll find his feet again but the others i'd be willing to let go for the right price.

At the end of the day were as skint as fcuk and if we dont sell to buy and stick with what weve got right now then we'll stay where we are, struggling to make it into the top 10 or be worse off!.

And who's to say that if we do try and keep what weve got and dont go out and buy and be ambitious in the market, cos we wont Trust me unless we take the option of selling an asset, that certain players like Jags, Baines, Felli, Arteta and even Rodwell will want to jump ship anyway and go and better themselves at other clubs who are ambitious and do challenge for top honours?!.

If we stick with the current squad knowing full well we have no money and dont sell to buy to help us improve our squad sufficently then we will fall even further behind the pack next season cos as were standing still and not improving, every other premier league team will do without a doubt!.

This season we have found it hard to create enough chances or score enough goals to win matches and if we dont look to improve in certain areas of the team to try and change that around then we will have another sheit season and cos were so skint, why not sell just the one player like Rodwell who as a big valuation on his head and who isnt a regular, to help fund our own team improvements?!.

To me it makes sense to sell one player who's worth a decent fee and doesnt look like becoming a first team regular anytime soon, so that we can re-inforce the squad with 2 or 3 quality players instead of selling 2 or 3 first teamers, possibly the core of our squad and buy for other areas aswell as what we already need without even thinking of selling them in the first place, that might set us back even further as these players have to settle in and take over from the original 1st teamers.

Selling one squad player to be able to boost the team with 2, maybe 3 quality players would be far less unsettling for the team than getting rid of 2 or 3 main players all in one go and having to replace them and expect the new players to just fit right in and do better, it's easier to add 2 or 3 to what you've got rather than rip out the core of your team and replace the lot in one full swoop.

If Moyes at the end of the season said he was going to let Rodwell go for a big fee and that he'd been promised all the money for team strengthening in the summer then id be all for it, thats all im saying.
 
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