Why Leicester and not Everton?

[Gilbert..]

Also if we were signing the players that Leicester were signing. ie the stars from lesser clubs our fans would not be happy.

We've been doing that for years. Difference is we are mugs who pay over the odds for the so called stars from lesser clubs.

 

[Tipp blue]

If any Everton fan fumed at us taking Rodgers they should and would be told to shut up for being an ignorant backward thinking idiot.

Plenty of those within our ranks.

 

[Gilbert..]

Plenty of those within our ranks.

Staggered at some of the comments about Rodgers ever being Everton manager. He would have licked us into shape. Couldnt give a flying fudge about him being an ex lpool manager.

 

[foxedup]

Your first 2 paragraphs were spot on, but this one...not so much.

Maddison came from Norwich City
Soyuncu came from Freiburg
Ndidi came from Genk
Praet came from Genk
Ricardo came from Porto

Of course they were stars. By comparison, or contrast as you said:

Digne came from Barcelona
Gomes came from Barcelona
Mina came from Barcelona
Walcott came from Arsenal
(who cares where Morgan came from)
Iwobi came from Arsenal

Do you see what I'm saying? None of the 5 great Leicester finds would play at those big clubs either, certainly not be stars. And the 5 Everton players would have been stars at lesser clubs too. If you want to argue quality of scouting, or talent evaluation, or something like that, fine, but it's an entirely different discussion.

Not sure why you would crap on Digne, Gomes, Mina, or Iwobi anyway...

That's correct. But what we've done is go back to the philosophy Pearson / Walsh had here and that is getting people who are hungry to succeed and on an upwards curve. Sometimes when players have been at huge clubs and they start stepping down, is that hunger still there?

 

[davek]

They built their team around Vardy, and built their team to work to his strengths, pace, directness, counter-attacking. We've just kind of made a Frankenstein of a team, a bit like United, in the sense that we've built with the best players available, but will they compliment each other? Are they actually just cast offs?

We've signed players like Richarlison, Bernard, Iwobi and Walcott, who rely on their pace, but their creativity is Sigurdsson who is slow, uninispiring and holds us back. What we need to do is sign a proper striker and build round him.

I do feel Leicester have fell into a little purple patch, like we had 10-years ago, with cheap, but smart signings like Tielemans, Maddison, Evans and Soyuncu. But they've had players like Barnes and Chilwell come through. I'm not saying Leicester are going to win the league, but look how they approach things, and look how we approach things. When i mentioned Cast Offs before... Maddison, Soyuncu, Ndidi, Praet and Riccardo are all players who were stars for their team, who Leicester took. Digne, Gomes, Mina, Walcott, Schneiderlin and Iwobi? By contrast...

Spot on this.

I said months ago in the summer we had no blend and the thought process into signing players with that in mind was non-existent.

It's a great thread, and the OP's question could also easily have slotted into the Brands thread, because that's who this is down to.

 

[Gilbert..]

That's correct. But what we've done is go back to the philosophy Pearson / Walsh had here and that is getting people who are hungry to succeed and on an upwards curve. Sometimes when players have been at huge clubs and they start stepping down, is that hunger still there?

We dont have players strolling around through lack of effort or hunger. Well most of the time.
We do seem to just buy players with no clear thought of where they will fit in for specific roles. Koeman was the master of that. He was given an open cheque book and just went and bought anything that wasnt nailed down.

 

[foxedup]

my point is, Leicester have identified what they needed against what they have. They’ve then made the changes to ensure they’ve got those players in to improve them.

even last year under Puel they were dangerous... see draw at Anfield.

What we did was decide at the very top what sort of team we wanted to be and how we were going to go about it. The owners wanted to expand from the counter attacking to become a passing team, based around identify young talent.

So we identified Puel, who whilst he couldn't get the players on board with his man management, he put the passing game into progress and was a manager who gave kids time on the pitch. Whilst removing all the old title winners and ageing players (a difficult job and probably a reason he wasn't liked) and with the recruitment team bringing in young talent.

Puel wasn't really wasn't liked, so we identified someone who could follow and work with the blueprint we've decided on. The next manager will follow the same format. What that means is that the manager isn't dictating totally different styles of play and recruitment when we change them. You've gone from Koeman, to Allerdyce, too Silva. I haven't seen enough to say whether their styles are the same, but I'm sure Sam wasn't the same as the other two.

 

[kenada_blue]

They really screwed over Moshiri with that one.He was expensive at 25m and 50m is just wild. He has some good qualities but he's not a guy the top 6 want as their number 10. That's the difference between Daniel Levy and Moshiri, Levy sticks to his price and Moshiri doesn't.

If I remember, it was us and Leicester in for him. They stopped at £30mill and went for Maddison instead.

 

[davek]

Integration, blend, synthesis - call it what you will, but we dont have it.

It's a mess.

As others have said, the template is all wrong: the buying of discard players from elite teams has left us in reality with their dregs...bought in numbers and who cost the club an arm and a leg in fees and wages, and they are about as blended as a dog's breakfast.

It's a calamity. An utter calamity.

The model is broken. Get shut of it.

 

[kenada_blue]

They really screwed over Moshiri with that one.He was expensive at 25m and 50m is just wild. He has some good qualities but he's not a guy the top 6 want as their number 10. That's the difference between Daniel Levy and Moshiri, Levy sticks to his price and Moshiri doesn't.

We could've got Maddison and Maguire for less than Siggy and Keane.

 

[evertonandchelmsford]

Leicester were always going to do well this year (better than us, west ham, wolves). They have the best squad out of the four, a good mixture of young and experienced players. A solid back 4 and keeper despite losing Maguire.

Two decent proven premier league strikers.

Their pre season was also very low key which helped. No travelling just local away games against football league clubs.

One thing though they've played a lot of football against 10 men and have had a lot of fortune with VAR.

*Forgot to mention they also have a competent manager.

 

[kenada_blue]

Integration, blend, synthesis - call it what you will, but we dont have it.

It's a mess.

As others have said, the template is all wrong: the buying of discard players from elite teams has left us in reality with their dregs...bought in numbers and who cost the club an arm and a leg in fees and wages, and they are about as blended as a dog's breakfast.

It's a calamity. An utter calamity.

The model is broken. Get shut of it.

Don't buy this at all.

The only way this is true is if we get a new manager in and the same thing happens.

Bottom line for me is that we've got a fairly inexperienced manager in a tougher league who isn't hamstrung, struggling with his own ineptitude and stubbornness.

 

[Monster Ultra]

A lot of praise for Rodgers but I don't think he could've made Everton or even Arsenal improve so dramatically.

Leicester like Chelsea were squads with a hunger and desire to change their fortunes. It was a perfect fit. They were just waiting for an ambitious manager in charge to get the best out of them. I cannot imagine Arsenal's team responding to being asked to work harder, train harder, run further, out muscle the opposition,they have too many players from the Wenger era who don't see defeats or losing leads that finish in draws as being a failure anymore.

When I see Everton falling to pieces during games it's players sharing that same mental fragility from years of misfortune and false dawns, Martinez, Koeman, Silva have all chipped away at most of these player's confidence that I don't think anything can restore or improve them into better players.

 

[bilyaletdinov_]

Above everything else they have an identity, they know exactly how they want to play. We sorely miss this.
All the best teams have it whether its City's beautiful intricate passing or Liverpools kick and rush / swing as many crosses in as possible / Stoke on steroids.
Whatever route we take we need to get an identity, fast.

 

[davek]

Don't buy this at all.

The only way this is true is if we get a new manager in and the same thing happens.

Bottom line for me is that we've got a fairly inexperienced manager in a tougher league who isn't hamstrung, struggling with his own ineptitude and stubbornness.

You cant be serious?

Look at the group of players bought in the last two summers and the competence they have vis-a-vis that Leicester team. It's a complete disaster. There is no thought whatsoever gone into how they fit together.

Pound for pound spent, this is a worse situation than even Koeman managed to create.