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McBain
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What mountain sized plot holes??
Obviously Snoke was never the overarching villain and its actually probably Kylo Ren. How do you know he’s not dead? How do you even know he was alive and not a puppet in the first place? Removing Snoke gave Kylo the impetus to take over and I love the fact its not spoon fed to you - you have to use your actual imagination to piece together the story. Canon in Star Wars is an absolutely ridiculous concept because the first three films were made under severe restrictions on what actual special effects they could even do. They had to invent it on the go.
If you don’t realise it JJ Abrams is the executive producer and brains behind the entire reboot. It’s almost as if you think Johnson just went off on his own and made TLJ, wrecked Abrams work and oh thank gosh hes back to save the day. The entire thing is a set up by Abrams and its a pay off system with no answers until part 9...
Gwladysstreetlad
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Heres a few plot holes off the top of my head mate. I could list more but I think that's enough to start out with.
You don't see the Leia having that much power as a mountain size plot holes? I listed all the reasons for it a page or so back.
Luke says to Ray: "I did not come to this end of the galaxy planet to be found" (or words similar to that anyway). Yet he left a map in R2 so he could be found!
The fuel thing is so pathetic it's beyond belief. Never mentioned before in anything SW related and to add it here is so lazy it's laughable.
Holdo not informing her tiny crew of such a simple plan and basically causing needless insurrection for no reason.
Nobody having a clue who Holdo is despite the fact that there's seemingly only about 300 Resistance memebers.
Holdo crashing the ship into the first order ship as though they couldnt just of let a droid do that!
The whole Leia Poppins thing, which is made even worse when you watch it back. Just before Leia is swept out into space there is a crew working on a platform right above her that don't doesn't get out into space for some reason.
If ships crashing into other ships from hyperspace can now be done why has nobody ever attempted such a thing before?
Why on earth would the first order ship allow a single X-wing to get so close to them?
If the first order can track through hyperspace why in earth would the resistance not just split up and go into as many separate directions as possible?
If the first order can track through hyperspace, why would they just use one ship to do so?
Why would the resistance not have a massive supply of fuel?
Why would Finn and Rose park their ship on a beach when their whole mission is to remain undercover and not attract attention?
It's fine to say Snoke isn't an Important villian and he is just a plot vehicle for Kylo-Ren to use but that leaves us with an unbearably bland villain for the final film who has been defeat by Ray in the first movie anyway. If Snoke is irrelevant fair enough, but it's a waste of a character who had great potential imo.
Cannon in everything is ludicrous if you think in those terms. I mean why bother sticking to anything. Just change stuff that's been around for years for throwaway scenes that ultimately do nothing for the plot.
They clearly realise what a mistake TLJ was based on the trailer for TROS alone because so many things wrong with TLJ are rectified in it.
Look, you're perfectly entitled to view TLJ however you want but you're wasting your time trying to convince me that it's any good.
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McBain
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Good Lord. Ok you're lucky I've got some time to kill before I go see the greatest Superhero movie in the history of ever.
Doesn't say that. He says "How did you find me?" then later "You think i came to the most unfindable place in the Galaxy for no reason at all? then later "I came to this Island to die".
They weren't looking for a map to Luke. They were looking for a Map to the first Jedi Temple, where Luke told Han he was going to find, and had been downloaded by R2 when he hacked the Empires database.
Because ships don't need fuel? Far more elegant answers have been forthcoming, and let Adam Wu, from Quora take the floor.
Several reasons:
You can't imagine what anyone would do, particularly someone in charge who sees the bigger picture. An individual choice and the wrong doesn't constitute a plot hole, merely someones decision.
General Draven, anyone?
She was out of her depth and bit the bullet.
Juat watching that and i can't see what your talking about. Theres some fish people working by the window that get blown up.
When in any of the movies was it necessary for a stricken vessel to do this? Would be a short film if that was the answer in any given situation.
Ant > Boot
So they can all get killed individually?
Whats the question?
Does any rebel group have infinite resources?
What are they going to land on the Casino? Like either of them have been there before?
Are you predicting the next movie? Wasn't Darth Maul cut in half too?
Hello. Star Wars. Lucas retroactively changed a whole bunch of stuff from the original movies when he made 1-3. Don't you remember??
In the trailer? 1998's Godzilla also has one of the best trailers ever.
Doesn't say that. He says "How did you find me?" then later "You think i came to the most unfindable place in the Galaxy for no reason at all? then later "I came to this Island to die".
They weren't looking for a map to Luke. They were looking for a Map to the first Jedi Temple, where Luke told Han he was going to find, and had been downloaded by R2 when he hacked the Empires database.
Because ships don't need fuel? Far more elegant answers have been forthcoming, and let Adam Wu, from Quora take the floor.
Several reasons:
- Some people are mistaken about a great many things. Starships needing to use fuel in the context of a pursuit is not inconsistent with either real world physics or established Star Wars canon. But some people are not willing to go home and rethink their entertainment. Having heard, somewhere, that spaceships can coast at constant velocity without expending fuel, they’re not interested in investigating further to understand the subtle distinction between acceleration and velocity and how that would apply to an actual life-and-death pursuit in space. And the references to the need for starship fuel in previous Star Wars movies are subtle and require actual reflection on the content after seeing it to fully comprehend. To go from here to being vocal in their misconceptions and stirring controversy on the internet is a simple example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Not knowing that they do not know, and erroneously believing their opinion to be a competent one, they presume to complain in public.
- Some people have become unhealthily attached to certain points of view regarding what should and should not be happening in a Star Wars movie. When they see something that challenges those preconceptions, they rigidly cling to what they perceive to be the established, and “proper,” orthodoxy, rather than letting the possibility of change flow through them.
- Some people realize, deep down, that what they personally want and expect from the franchise is insignificant next to the power of the commercial realities surrounding the franchise and its enormous and diverse fanbase, and that their devotion cannot conjure up any actual influence over the third party that actually has the power (unlimited power!) to do whatever it wants with the property. This results in fear that their personal vision of what Star Wars should be will not be realized, and any apparent confirmation of this fear in the actual films triggers anger, and anger in turn leads to hatred, such that, in their minds, nothing in TLJ can possibly be good or redeemable, and they are compelled to nitpick everything, even the most banal and trivial. And when they do this, other elements of the fanbase push back in reaction to it, creating controversy and suffering for all.
You can't imagine what anyone would do, particularly someone in charge who sees the bigger picture. An individual choice and the wrong doesn't constitute a plot hole, merely someones decision.
General Draven, anyone?
She was out of her depth and bit the bullet.
Juat watching that and i can't see what your talking about. Theres some fish people working by the window that get blown up.
When in any of the movies was it necessary for a stricken vessel to do this? Would be a short film if that was the answer in any given situation.
Ant > Boot
So they can all get killed individually?
Whats the question?
Does any rebel group have infinite resources?
What are they going to land on the Casino? Like either of them have been there before?
Are you predicting the next movie? Wasn't Darth Maul cut in half too?
Hello. Star Wars. Lucas retroactively changed a whole bunch of stuff from the original movies when he made 1-3. Don't you remember??
In the trailer? 1998's Godzilla also has one of the best trailers ever.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Lucky is not how I'd describe myself right now after reading all that! lol
1) So the most "unfindable place in the galaxy" is literally the place were he'd told Han that he'd be? Ok......
2) Nah mate. I'm not making an effort when in responding to copy and paste stuff you've found. It's pretentious guff anyway that doesn't change the fact that adding fuel at this stage is lazy. I don't care about real life science mumbo jumbo. It was a lazy plot device.
3) No there's no dressing that up. She was I charge of a single vessel crew and didn't think it was appropriate to infom them of her plans. A team leader at McDonald's would have better people and man management skills FFS! It's lazy to suggest she'd be that dumb.
4) apples and oranges. Draven had far more then a single vessel crew to deal with and was in a far more complex situation.
5) They'd backed the character into a corner and took the lazy way out. It was supposed to be heroic but she just came over as stupid.
6) it's there, watch it back.
7) The amount of times ships are on the run in SW is insane. The droid army's would of done nothing but that in the prequels if it was doable. Hell the rebels would of done it countless times to help the wider army escape. But yeah it would make for a short film so it begs the question, why do it at all then?!
8) "ant" funny that, I seem to rember x-wings causing the death Star an awful lot of trouble twice in the OT. Don't the first order teach history or somthing......
9) Some at least might survive that way. Makes more sense then just plodding needlessly to their deaths as one. The common sense thing to do would of been to split up. Obviously the couldn't storyline wise but logically it makes no sense not to.
10) If the first order can track across hyperspace then why not have another vessel waiting for the resistance ship. Or do they only have the one ship?
11) Obviously not but you'd assume they'd have the basics and be at least somewhat prepared otherwise as you said earlier, it'd be quite a short film.
12) They were on a clandestine military operation FFS. I'd make more of an effort to find the best place to park my car in an arena that I'm unfamiliar with! They have a computer it'd take them like one click to get an idea of the best place to go. Surely even asking would of been better then leaving it on the beach!
13) Yeah Maul was killed and he stayed dead for well over fifteen years. He wasn't back by the next film.
14) They've never changed anything significant before. It was all noting things, Han and Greedo both shooting was a big as it got. Noting altered plot wise that would effect the the rest of the series.
15) I've already pointed out the little things they did in the trailer that show how they were correcting things. It's not me making stuff up. It's there for all to see.
Hope you enjoyed avagers mate. Gutted that I have to wait till Thursday to see it.
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McBain
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Lucky is not how I'd describe myself right now after reading all that! lol
1) So the most "unfindable place in the galaxy" is literally the place were he'd told Han that he'd be? Ok......
2) Nah mate. I'm not making an effort when in responding to copy and paste stuff you've found. It's pretentious guff anyway that doesn't change the fact that adding fuel at this stage is lazy. I don't care about real life science mumbo jumbo. It was a lazy plot device.
3) No there's no dressing that up. She was I charge of a single vessel crew and didn't think it was appropriate to infom them of her plans. A team leader at McDonald's would have better people and man management skills FFS! It's lazy to suggest she'd be that dumb.
4) apples and oranges. Draven had far more then a single vessel crew to deal with and was in a far more complex situation.
5) They'd backed the character into a corner and took the lazy way out. It was supposed to be heroic but she just came over as stupid.
6) it's there, watch it back.
7) The amount of times ships are on the run in SW is insane. The droid army's would of done nothing but that in the prequels if it was doable. Hell the rebels would of done it countless times to help the wider army escape. But yeah it would make for a short film so it begs the question, why do it at all then?!
8) "ant" funny that, I seem to rember x-wings causing the death Star an awful lot of trouble twice in the OT. Don't the first order teach history or somthing......
9) Some at least might survive that way. Makes more sense then just plodding needlessly to their deaths as one. The common sense thing to do would of been to split up. Obviously the couldn't storyline wise but logically it makes no sense not to.
10) If the first order can track across hyperspace then why not have another vessel waiting for the resistance ship. Or do they only have the one ship?
11) Obviously not but you'd assume they'd have the basics and be at least somewhat prepared otherwise as you said earlier, it'd be quite a short film.
12) They were on a clandestine military operation FFS. I'd make more of an effort to find the best place to park my car in an arena that I'm unfamiliar with! They have a computer it'd take them like one click to get an idea of the best place to go. Surely even asking would of been better then leaving it on the beach!
13) Yeah Maul was killed and he stayed dead for well over fifteen years. He wasn't back by the next film.
14) They've never changed anything significant before. It was all noting things, Han and Greedo both shooting was a big as it got. Noting altered plot wise that would effect the the rest of the series.
15) I've already pointed out the little things they did in the trailer that show how they were correcting things. It's not me making stuff up. It's there for all to see.
Hope you enjoyed avagers mate. Gutted that I have to wait till Thursday to see it.
Watch this.
21 Bridges trailer looked cool.
Jennyefc1982
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That new ted bundy one looks decent.
Gwladysstreetlad
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That was actually pretty good but there's no way Disney have it all so well thought out as that. If they do that then it would compelty change my perception of this triolgy for the better. Can't see it though.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Endgame later. Can't wait to see this!
McBain
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When you think about it that way it makes perfect sense. Hopefully it's spot on.
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