Messi "best player of all time"

McBain · February 23, 2019

Easy. Maradona. The problem with Messi and Ronaldo is that they’re protected species. Absolutely the best players of their generations, but then again so were Beckenbauer, Cruyf, Di Stefano, Pele, Baresi, Best, Garrincha, Ronaldo etc.

Maradona was from another planet.

Bruce Wayne · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
Easy. Maradona. The problem with Messi and Ronaldo is that they’re protected species. Absolutely the best players of their generations, but then again so were Beckenbauer, Cruyf, Di Stefano, Pele, Baresi, Best, Garrincha, Ronaldo etc.

Maradona was from another planet.

He was also up against defenders whose training for the match consisted of half a dozen pints and a pack of cigarettes. Half of the England team he ran past needed CPR as they jogged to keep up with him.

McBain · February 23, 2019

Bruce Wayne said:
He was also up against defenders whose training for the match consisted of half a dozen pints and a pack of cigarettes. Half of the England team he ran past needed CPR as they jogged to keep up with him.

Same era Bruce. Put Messi up against a defence in 1985 and see how long he stays on the pitch without getting snapped into several bits impaled on the advertising hoardings. I’d like to see how many goals he’d score from the infirmary.

FC sexy xxx · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
Same era Bruce. Put Messi up against a defence in 1985 and see how long he stays on the pitch without getting snapped into several bits impaled on the advertising hoardings. I’d like to see how many goals he’d score from the infirmary.

One things about Messi. Is he never moans about tackles and is not a diver

McBain · February 23, 2019

FC sexy xxx said:
One things about Messi. Is he never moans about tackles and is not a diver

Ofcourse hes not

Bruce Wayne · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
Same era Bruce. Put Messi up against a defence in 1985 and see how long he stays on the pitch without getting snapped into several bits impaled on the advertising hoardings. I’d like to see how many goals he’d score from the infirmary.

Yet you look at players from his era, guys like Platini, Matthaus, Schuster and Zico, and they barely missed any games each season as a result of injury. That's a bit odd given that they were impaled on advertising hoardings every match?

FC sexy xxx · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
Ofcourse hes not

Messi is not known for diving. Simple as that

McBain · February 23, 2019

Bruce Wayne said:
Yet you look at players from his era, guys like Platini, Matthaus, Schuster and Zico, and they barely missed any games each season as a result of injury. That's a bit odd given that they were impaled on advertising hoardings every match?

You mean those drunken layabouts with ciggies tucked under their shirts who actually died on the field from trying to run?

Bruce Wayne · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
You mean those drunken layabouts with ciggies tucked under their shirts who actually died on the field from trying to run?

Well that escalated quickly o_O

BirkenheadBlue · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
Same era Bruce. Put Messi up against a defence in 1985 and see how long he stays on the pitch without getting snapped into several bits impaled on the advertising hoardings. I’d like to see how many goals he’d score from the infirmary.

Put Maradona in a team in 2019 and see how many goals he scores against 6'3 centre backs who can run faster and for longer than he can.

Works both ways

dholliday · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
Easy. Maradona. The problem with Messi and Ronaldo is that they’re protected species. Absolutely the best players of their generations, but then again so were Beckenbauer, Cruyf, Di Stefano, Pele, Baresi, Best, Garrincha, Ronaldo etc.

Maradona was from another planet.

I've always been for Maradona as number 1, tho' over the years my appreciation for Pelé has increased.

My all-time top 5 would be:

Maradona
Pelé
Beckenbauer
Zidane
Ronaldo (Brazil)

Messi & Cronaldo are both top 10, to be fair. If we took international football out of the equation, those two would have a shout right at the top. But international football is supremely important to the equation, to the point that there's an argument Cronaldo slightly inches ahead of Messi in the top 10.

Dannymini · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
Same era Bruce. Put Messi up against a defence in 1985 and see how long he stays on the pitch without getting snapped into several bits impaled on the advertising hoardings. I’d like to see how many goals he’d score from the infirmary.
[/QUOTE that's just like saying put maradona in this era he wouldn't be fit enough because he drank, am sure if maradona played now he wouldn't drink and Messi played back then he would adapt to the toughness

McBain · February 23, 2019

BirkenheadBlue said:
Put Maradona in a team in 2019 and see how many goals he scores against 6'3 centre backs who can run faster and for longer than he can.

Works both ways

No. The difference, and probably what sways my thinking is that every single player who played with or against him says that he was the best player they’ve ever played with or against. Messi is a great, no doubt, but propped up by the best players in the best team. Look at the players he’s played with, and why he cant do it internationally, when the very best can.

Dannymini · February 23, 2019

McBain said:
No. The difference, and probably what sways my thinking is that every single player who played with or against him says that he was the best player they’ve ever played with or against. Messi is a great, no doubt, but propped up by the best players in the best team. Look at the players he’s played with, and why he cant do it internationally, when the very best can.

Surely anyone who has played with Messi will say he's the best they have played with, and cryuff + best never won much internationally