2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[Frang]

Like with Allardyce, I'd be very disappointed if Moshiri hasn't made his mind up regardless of what Silva does now. The Southampton game was the tipping point but that Millwall game was the nail in the coffin.

I see him as a caretaker manager at this point. If he's here next season I'll be disgusted.

this is what im thinking..

he would literally have to win 90% of all remaining games even to be given a sniff of being here next season, and that clearly isn't happening with our home games !

 

[roy vernon]

If, and in my opinion it would be a mistake, but IF Silva is sacked, for God’s sake let’s have the new man already lined up and ready to go. If this means that Silva keeps his job for a few months while we are looking for his replacement, then, so be it, it seems harsh but that seems to be the only way to avoid another one of these embarrassing searches for a manager with countless media reports about who we are looking at only to end up with a Koeman or an Allardyce.

For what it is worth, I think that the dressing room is a bigger problem than the coach and it is time that the club showed certain players that, if they don’t like the manager, the are the ones that can F off not the coach.

 

[zzr45]

Lets be honest:

Pickford has had a crisis of confidence for what looks to be the first time in his career...hes young for a keeper and its having an affect and we have no backup.

Coleman is done.

Keane doesnt know which way he will head a ball so no matter which type of marking is in place he'll be a pinball

Zouma loses concentration and so man marking he'll probably lose his man anyway

Mina is used to zonal marking but look at who hes playing with

Zonal marking is fine and the players need to take responsibility but there is no desire there which is what Silva has said himself...players need to step up.

Snag is that he hasnt signed the players who are letting us down.

BUT IT ISN'T FOR THE PLAYERS WE HAVE.

If as a coach Silva can't see that system isn't working, but still tries to force it through even if our players aren't good enough/tactically aware enough, then it is his fault as a coach. He's had 7 months to sort it, but will not adapt. It's his problem all day long.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Its not hard to see the mess were in thanks to koeman.

Think we can all agree on that, this was the appointment that’s screwed us

 

[GwladysBlue]

Lose tonight and it’s curtains. The fans will see him out.

 

[Lanolin]

BUT IT ISN'T FOR THE PLAYERS WE HAVE.

If as a coach Silva can't see that system isn't working, but still tries to force it through even if our players aren't good enough/tactically aware enough, then it is his fault as a coach. He's had 7 months to sort it, but will not adapt. It's his problem all day long.

Before we can make that call we’d need to know if they were any better at man marking. They might be, but I certainly wouldn’t be putting my mortgage on it.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

No. Don’t be facetious, you know exactly what the expectations are, as we all do.

The expectation should be that 6 months after spending £100m, we aren’t knocked out of both cups early doors (in winnable ties) and sat in 11th below West Ham, Watford, Leicester, having taken 1 point from 18 against the top six.

Actually, I can strip it back to an even more basic level. For the majority fans, an acceptable expectation at this stage would simply be a clear identity. A plan. A window into our future under Marco Silva.

It might be kick and rush, counter attacking, tiki-taka, route one, or something else entirely. We’ve seen none of that. I think most blues, like me, could accept the results this season if it looked like there was still a grand plan, of sorts. There doesn’t / isn’t.

Us blues don’t need much excuse to get excited. Just give us a straw or two to clutch to, Marco!

Fair, but this coach has exceeded expectations in every job he's been in so far with the exception of the Watford gig. Not saying he's the second coming of Pep, but he knows what he's doing.

I actually think it's pretty unfair to judge a guy when he is expected to play a certain way without the players to do so. He wants to attack from width, but his RB can't. He inherited a CB that isn't very good. He has no proper CF. He has 1 DM and likes to play 2.

We're just still several windows away. However, we still has 7th to play for. It's crazy to me that some think the season is over. I don't understand that mentality at all.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Before we can make that call we’d need to know if they were any better at man marking. They might be, but I certainly wouldn’t be putting my mortgage on it.

If the player are not capable of playing a basic zonal scheme on set pieces, they need to go. Zonal marking is not complicated. It's just not.

But again, we can rip Silva for being bad vs. set pieces. That's fine. On the same token, our improvement in open play has been more significant and he deserves credit for that. It's a MUCH better defensive team than it was last year.

 

[BlueToff]

I don't get the point you're trying to make? The two situations aren't related.

The reasons to sell Gana is because the season is over and this will be the best fee we can get for him. His head is turned, so may as well milk what we can for him.

I don't see the contradiction with that view and wanting Silva gone, because there's pretty much nothing Silva can do now to rescue himself. He could win the next 15 games convincingly but it's after the fact and largely doesn't matter as he couldn't get the job done when it mattered. It's like a club being relegated then winning every game after they're already down - who gives a toss? Granted, 15 wins means he'd keep his job, that's the reality, but I'd be amazed if we didn't immediately go back to being crap when the games mattered again.

The only way you can advocate Silva staying at this point in my view is if you place the blame on the players. But for me, the players aren't choosing to zonal mark, regardless of the evidence it doesn't work. That's management.

It was badly explained.

I just think it's contradictory selling one of your better players, but then expecting the manager to be better.

If the season is a right off already, surely that applies to the manager as well? If he's not gonna get the money in the last two days of the window, and there'd be a massive rush on anyway to get a near-adequate replacement in.

It's a mix of manager and players. The players aren't consistent enough and the manager is making poor decisions. There's no way he'll be getting sacked before the end of the season unless we fall out of the crowd of equally as inconsistent and crap teams that are currently around us. That's my honest view, and whether it's mainly down to the fact that as a club we desperately need to stop chopping and changing.

If we get 20 points from the next 15 games (I'd be surprised, tbh) then he's beat the points total for three of the last four seasons (not saying it's an achievement) and in all likelihood that'd get us 8th-7th.

It's not been all bad. He's done good things as well, most of them earlier in the season, even if certain frailties were there that are now coming back to bite us.

We'll see what happens. I just think it's extremely hypocritical to be saying 'sell our better players, season's over anyway, all about transition lad' and then in the next breath saying we should bin off the manager who, whether it's working or not, has been brought in to try and build something.

 

[BlueToff]

Fair, but this coach has exceeded expectations in every job he's been in so far with the exception of the Watford gig. Not saying he's the second coming of Pep, but he knows what he's doing.

I actually think it's pretty unfair to judge a guy when he is expected to play a certain way without the players to do so. He wants to attack from width, but his RB can't. He inherited a CB that isn't very good. He has no proper CF. He has 1 DM and likes to play 2.

We're just still several windows away. However, we still has 7th to play for. It's crazy to me that some think the season is over. I don't understand that mentality at all.

I will counter it with it can't be all on the players. If you don't have the players to play a certain way, then adapt, that's part of being a good manager. He's making simple and frankly scary errors at the moment, over and over again.

We'll see what happens in the next 15 games.

 

[deipnosophist]

Just read the last few pages...it's laugh out loud hilarious!
Thank you @jazzy ...yours is probably the funniest post I've ever read on the forum.

Golly, Capt Jags and Bainesy are bad eggs...not only do they plot the downfall of various managers ...but now I hear they're going to sue @davek for libel lollol

 

[Zatara]

BUT IT ISN'T FOR THE PLAYERS WE HAVE.

If as a coach Silva can't see that system isn't working, but still tries to force it through even if our players aren't good enough/tactically aware enough, then it is his fault as a coach. He's had 7 months to sort it, but will not adapt. It's his problem all day long.

So you want to play a system that doesnt suit the modern manager but does suit the players....

Ergo The Allardyce method.

You dont hire a manager and expect him to change his whole system and beliefs to suit some players who arent up to it...thats daft.

Lose tonight and it’s curtains. The fans will see him out.

Then those fans are glory hunters and should probably take a look at themselves.

Before we can make that call we’d need to know if they were any better at man marking. They might be, but I certainly wouldn’t be putting my mortgage on it.

Weve seen that under previous managers...the only time they managed to succeed man to man is with 10 men behind the ball at all times sat on the keeper.

Fair, but this coach has exceeded expectations in every job he's been in so far with the exception of the Watford gig. Not saying he's the second coming of Pep, but he knows what he's doing.

I actually think it's pretty unfair to judge a guy when he is expected to play a certain way without the players to do so. He wants to attack from width, but his RB can't. He inherited a CB that isn't very good. He has no proper CF. He has 1 DM and likes to play 2.

We're just still several windows away. However, we still has 7th to play for. It's crazy to me that some think the season is over. I don't understand that mentality at all.

Younger fans isnt it...the only explanation...

If the player are not capable of playing a basic zonal scheme on set pieces, they need to go. Zonal marking is not complicated. It's just not.

But again, we can rip Silva for being bad vs. set pieces. That's fine. On the same token, our improvement in open play has been more significant and he deserves credit for that. It's a MUCH better defensive team than it was last year.

Thats it really...the rebuild has just begun and certain 'fans' dont want to rebuild...dont want change but want to win...

Its a bizarre attitude.

 

[Zatara]

I will counter it with it can't be all on the players. If you don't have the players to play a certain way, then adapt, that's part of being a good manager. He's making simple and frankly scary errors at the moment, over and over again.

We'll see what happens in the next 15 games.

As ive posted before, watch Neville and Carragher debating this at length on MNF its on youtube.

Carragher agrees with you...Neville says the players need to adapt or go...

I agree with Neville.

You dont hire a manager if you dont want a certain type of football. He will know this season who he wants (a short list!) and who he doesnt (a long list).

Summer will be interesting.

Just read the last few pages...it's laugh out loud hilarious!
Thank you @jazzy ...yours is probably the funniest post I've ever read on the forum.

I feel that I've made my share of amusing posts and will be consulting my legal counsel before responding further to you in due course

(@jazzy over to you)

 

[BlueToff]

BUT IT ISN'T FOR THE PLAYERS WE HAVE.

If as a coach Silva can't see that system isn't working, but still tries to force it through even if our players aren't good enough/tactically aware enough, then it is his fault as a coach. He's had 7 months to sort it, but will not adapt. It's his problem all day long.

But neither is man marking. We man marked under Allardyce, Koeman and Martinez and were just as bad. As a team, we have been awful defensively for years.

Zonal marking does not mean four players stand around one bloke. That picture of Millwall's winner the other day - the only player in his correct zone is Digne. The four at the other side of the box have not executed zonal marking, as they've all followed the ball.

I'm much less concerned by zonal marking than I am by the fact our system is crap which then puts pressure on the defence as we can't attack in phases.It's all hit and hope.

That's more what Silva needs to sort out, imo.

 

[BlueToff]

As ive posted before, watch Neville and Carragher debating this at length on MNF its on youtube.

Carragher agrees with you...Neville says the players need to adapt or go...

I agree with Neville.

You dont hire a manager if you dont want a certain type of football. He will know this season who he wants (a short list!) and who he doesnt (a long list).

Summer will be interesting.

I think it's a mix of both, Zatman.

Players need to adapt, manager needs to adapt to the players he has. You don't have to sacrifice your style/philosophy to do that, it's just been pragmatic.

And we know Silva can do that. Chelsea away was a perfect example this season. He did it a fair few times with Hull - Anfield springs to mind when they won and Niasse scored, and Watford.