2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[riddick]

How so?

Because there is absolutely a time when sacking someone comes way too late.

 

[StateSideToffee]

Let’s all quit with this ridiculous talk; Silva should go nowhere. I blame him for two things:
1. Zonal marking; although that may be more a Pickford deficiency issue.
2. Richarlison refuses to pass the ball ever; and he is generally a player of dismal character. I wish we would not have purchased him.

Other than that he’s doing a pretty good job. String some wins together and finish 7th and it’s pretty much what I expected from this season.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Let’s all quit with this ridiculous talk; Silva should go nowhere. I blame him for two things:
1. Zonal marking; although that may be more a Pickford deficiency issue.
2. Richarlison refuses to pass the ball ever; and he is generally a player of dismal character. I wish we would not have purchased him.

Other than that he’s doing a pretty good job. String some wins together and finish 7th and it’s pretty much what I expected from this season.

2 wins in our last 10 league games, in them last 10 games we have played Southampton, Brighton, Newcastle (home) Watford (home) Leicester (home) and only picked up 2 points from those games. Knocked out the FA cup by Millwall, a team sitting 19th in the championship. Yep, doing a pretty good job.

 

[StateSideToffee]

2 wins in our last 10 league games, included in them last 10 games we played Southampton, Brighton, Newcastle (home) Watford (home) Leicester (home) and only picked up 2 points from those games. Knocked out the FA cup by Millwall, a team sitting 19th in the championship. Yep, doing a pretty good job.

Richarlison is a turnover machine with a poor attitude that refuses to pass.

Bernard refuses to pass in the final third, and has zero finishing ability.

Walcott is a turnover nightmare pace merchant.

We do not have a premier quality CF.

Gana does not contribute offensively.

Gomes is being game planned against as our only real threat to transition from defense to offense.

Sigurdsson cannot both assist and finish every goal.

Seamus is sadly unable to make up for his lack of talent with effort post injury.

Our CBs are struggling with the liability that is Pickford.

Digne is class.

These are the players we have been dealt. Give the manager time to sort this mess out.

 

[Khalekan]

Because there is absolutely a time when sacking someone comes way too late.

A good point and on the face of it a very valid one.

In fact it is an excellent point.

However......if there is one thing I have learned in life it is that no matter how bad things are, they can always take a turn for the worse.

And just because the damage is already done does not mean it is too late to sack the manager because if he is given more time he might continue to bring the club down.

But that is not the main point I was making to our Mackem chum .......which is that if and when it becomes clear a manager is way out of his depth, as our current one appears to be, then the fact he has been in situ for less than a season is no reason to persevere with him.

 

[Goat]

Its painful reading really, since DoomsDay at Anfield we have played 10 games and we have 2 wins and exited the FA Cup.

The 10 games before that we picked up 5 wins and exited the League Cup.

The fella needs to start picking up some Ws, ive calmed down a little since the weekend, im willing to give him some time, but hes gotta start showing me something, anything. Im still rooting for you Marco, show me a SIGN.

 

[Zatara]

Yeah, but Moyes inherited an ancient team with not much quality. Marco has a squad with plenty of quality, he just can’t use it.

Out of this enormous squad can you name 6 players who have 'plenty of quality' ?

I cant.

We used talk about Dacourt, now we end up in it.

lol

He needs to be given two seasons minimum. The change in thinking, personnel and mental attitude just can’t be done in 6-8 months....it’s too big an ask. We’ve won nothing for 25 years, so how do we expect a manager to change it in less than one?
This manager is here on the back of two painfully negative coaches in Koeman and Allardyce. Prior to that we thought and hoped the School of Science was back for Summer term under Martinez....and with more focus on the defensive demands of the game we may well have marched towards the light at he end of the quarter-century tunnel. Before that we’d all grown stale with Moyes and his tedious ‘play for a draw’ mentality that more often than not had us getting beat and unable to come from behind.
It’s ingrained in this Club. It’s ingrained in us the supporters, in the players, in the coaching staff, the Directors and probably the Tea Lady and whoever cleans the toilets. It’s amplified as them over the park are on fire (if only that were literal),and the fact that Origi’s bizarre 96th minute goal in the Derby is what’s brought this bout of ‘Everton that’ upon us just makes it ten times worse.

Changing manager won’t solve most of those issues. I’d stick with the fella...I think he has the balls to start dealing with players who aren’t half-assed about the Club, or who can’t learn simple football concepts. I think he’s been reluctant to savage them on the basis he hoped the honeymoon libido would last just long enough for them to grasp his methods. Alas, they haven’t and I expect he and Brands will come out all guns fighting in the next few weeks.

As an aside, I keep reading it’s the fault of zonal marking. Well, I’m not a fan of it, but I do know zonal marking doesn’t stop you being able to head a ball.

How refreshing it would be to put Huddersfield to the sword tomorrow, follow up with an entertaining win against Wolves at the weekend and then go toe-to-toe in confidence against the hopefully soon-to-be-crowned Champions.

We need some positivity.

Thats spot on

I don't get the point you're trying to make? The two situations aren't related.

The reasons to sell Gana is because the season is over and this will be the best fee we can get for him. His head is turned, so may as well milk what we can for him.

I don't see the contradiction with that view and wanting Silva gone, because there's pretty much nothing Silva can do now to rescue himself. He could win the next 15 games convincingly but it's after the fact and largely doesn't matter as he couldn't get the job done when it mattered. It's like a club being relegated then winning every game after they're already down - who gives a toss? Granted, 15 wins means he'd keep his job, that's the reality, but I'd be amazed if we didn't immediately go back to being crap when the games mattered again.

The only way you can advocate Silva staying at this point in my view is if you place the blame on the players. But for me, the players aren't choosing to zonal mark, regardless of the evidence it doesn't work. That's management.

This post is all thats wrong with the attitude of the fanbase at this time.

Zonal marking (which all the top teams in european football use) doesnt work because of the management???That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The reason its not working is because of the players -- thats just obvious. Cant you see them every single game failing to concentrate? Why is that? Because THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH.

Keane cant head a ball and Zouma loses concentration whilst Mina is trying to adapt while stuck next to these 2.

Thats not the fault of the management. 90% of these donkeys werent signed by Silva/Brands...they also cant be sold as no one wants them because THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH.

If Marco Silva (with a handful of his own players) can win 15 games in a row then he deserves a knighthood.

What is so hard to understand about this?


Christ if we appointed Pep you would probably expect the title within 7 months when at city hes changed almost the entire team lol klopp has changed the entire team...and mourinho failed as he wasnt allowed to.

I thought you were better than this Tubey. Its not hard to see the mess were in thanks to koeman.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Out of this enormous squad can you name 6 players who have 'plenty of quality' ?

I cant.



lol



Thats spot on





This post is all thats wrong with the attitude of the fanbase at this time.

Zonal marking (which all the top teams in european football use) doesnt work because of the management???That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The reason its not working is because of the players -- thats just obvious. Cant you see them every single game failing to concentrate? Why is that? Because THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH.

Keane cant head a ball and Zouma loses concentration whilst Mina is trying to adapt while stuck next to these 2.

Thats not the fault of the management. 90% of these donkeys werent signed by Silva/Brands...they also cant be sold as no one wants them because THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH.

If Marco Silva (with a handful of his own players) can win 15 games in a row then he deserves a knighthood.

What is so hard to understand about this?


Christ if we appointed Pep you would probably expect the title within 7 months when at city hes changed almost the entire team lol klopp has changed the entire team...and mourinho failed as he wasnt allowed to.

I thought you were better than this Tubey. Its not hard to see the mess were in thanks to koeman.

With coaching there is ample potential. We lack a striker (surprise, surprise) but we have better players than the likes of Watford, Bournemouth, etc.

 

[Zatara]

With coaching there is ample potential. We lack a striker (surprise, surprise) but we have better players than the likes of Watford, Bournemouth, etc.

Would you say that:

Keane 50p head with no pace
Coleman who looks finished
Walcott brainless
Gana cant pass
Sigurdsson anonymous
Gomes disappeared

Are better than other sides players? Theyre names but they arent top players at least anymore

Also both bournemouth and watford teams have been built under a DOF system over several seasons...the team knows one another...we have a squad signed by 5 managers.

 

[zzr45]

Zonal marking (which all the top teams in european football use) doesnt work because of the management???That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The reason its not working is because of the players -- thats just obvious. Cant you see them every single game failing to concentrate? Why is that? Because THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH.

Keane cant head a ball and Zouma loses concentration whilst Mina is trying to adapt while stuck next to these 2.

Thats not the fault of the management. 90% of these donkeys werent signed by Silva/Brands...they also cant be sold as no one wants them because THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH.

It is the fault of the management. As a coach setting a game plan you have two options. You can insist on using a system without a regard for how the players perform under it, or you can adapt your game plan to accentuate your teams strengths and negate your teams weaknesses.

Silva is insisting on playing a Zonal system that since preseason has been, for whatever reason, completely unable to be used effectively in a game. By the sounds of it, it works perfectly in training, but I do wonder how robustly it’s being tested. Regardless, our set piece defence is woeful.

As a coach, it’s up to Silva to fix the system. To say the players aren’t good enough is an absolute cop out. It’s up to him to create something which works for the players we have, even if it isn’t his preferred method.

Just because Zonal is used other places doesn’t mean it’s the right thing for us. It’s the managers fault

 

[Zatara]

It is the fault of the management. As a coach setting a game plan you have two options. You can insist on using a system without a regard for how the players perform under it, or you can adapt your game plan to accentuate your teams strengths and negate your teams weaknesses.

Silva is insisting on playing a Zonal system that since preseason has been, for whatever reason, completely unable to be used effectively in a game. By the sounds of it, it works perfectly in training, but I do wonder how robustly it’s being tested. Regardless, our set piece defence is woeful.

As a coach, it’s up to Silva to fix the system. To say the players aren’t good enough is an absolute cop out. It’s up to him to create something which works for the players we have, even if it isn’t his preferred method.

Just because Zonal is used other places doesn’t mean it’s the right thing for us. It’s the managers fault

Lets be honest:

Pickford has had a crisis of confidence for what looks to be the first time in his career...hes young for a keeper and its having an affect and we have no backup.

Coleman is done.

Keane doesnt know which way he will head a ball so no matter which type of marking is in place he'll be a pinball

Zouma loses concentration and so man marking he'll probably lose his man anyway

Mina is used to zonal marking but look at who hes playing with

Zonal marking is fine and the players need to take responsibility but there is no desire there which is what Silva has said himself...players need to step up.

Snag is that he hasnt signed the players who are letting us down.

 

[Lanolin]

I don't get the point you're trying to make? The two situations aren't related.

The reasons to sell Gana is because the season is over and this will be the best fee we can get for him. His head is turned, so may as well milk what we can for him.

I don't see the contradiction with that view and wanting Silva gone, because there's pretty much nothing Silva can do now to rescue himself. He could win the next 15 games convincingly but it's after the fact and largely doesn't matter as he couldn't get the job done when it mattered. It's like a club being relegated then winning every game after they're already down - who gives a toss? Granted, 15 wins means he'd keep his job, that's the reality, but I'd be amazed if we didn't immediately go back to being crap when the games mattered again.

The only way you can advocate Silva staying at this point in my view is if you place the blame on the players. But for me, the players aren't choosing to zonal mark, regardless of the evidence it doesn't work. That's management.

Even if the original premise wasn’t contradictory, this post is.

You’re effectively saying we should sack him because of zonal marking but we should still sack him even if we win our next 15 games - which would surely just prove that zonal marking is absolutely not a problem at all.

Winning our next 15 games really, really wouldn’t be anything even remotely like winning your remaining games after going down would it? If we stop with the woe is me melodrama then all that’s actually happened is we’ve been knocked out of a cup that we’ve only won 5 times in 140 years. If we won all our remaining games we’d quite possibly finish in the champions league spots , would definitely finish in our highest position for years and would have smashed our longest winning streak. But you’d want the manager sacked because we conceded a last minute goal away at Milwall.

 

[Zatara]

@zzr45 i think the fact that Silva was hired means that thr club needs to back him. The fans need to support him and the players need to step up or be shipped out.

Look at Mourinho, he was backed but some signings clearly werent his (Pogba) and whilst Klopp and Pep were able to change huge numbers of players Mourinho was left with an absolute mess of a team...

Would Pep have Newcastle challenging at the top? No.

So how can Silva be expected to do so without the players...you either back the manager or you hire an allardyce type who will go defensive and eek out points no matter what the players.

 

[Zatara]

Even if the original premise wasn’t contradictory, this post is.

You’re effectively saying we should sack him because of zonal marking but we should still sack him even if we win our next 15 games - which would surely just prove that zonal marking is absolutely not a problem at all.

Winning our next 15 games really, really wouldn’t be anything even remotely like winning your remaining games after going down would it? If we stop with the woe is me melodrama then all that’s actually happened is we’ve been knocked out of a cup that we’ve only won 5 times in 140 years. If we won all our remaining games we’d quite possibly finish in the champions league spots , would definitely finish in our highest position for years and would have smashed our longest winning streak. But you’d want the manager sacked because we conceded a last minute goal away at Milwall.

Im not directing this at @Tubey as i dont know how long hes been supporting the club but i feel alot of fans havent gone through the 90s...and those are the ones who want immediate success

Anyone who went through the 90s will always say theres patience needed to build something..

We saw it with the Dacourt Materazzi Simonsen Collins bakayoko summer...and we then saw it all fall apart.

We saw it with kanchelskis speed limpar et al

Now weve seen it with Sigurdsson etc

What we need now is stability as weve seen so many times in and since the 90s what happens when you spend big then panic...

This time we have Moshiri and can 'go again' once weve got the dross out but it needs patience.

 

[Frang]

I would be very careful about making libelous comments like that if I were you.
As a retired Solicitor I can tell you that Baines and Jagielka are likely to have a very strong cause of action against you.
I think that the moderators should also be aware that you place the Forum in potential peril.

oh wow

yes m'lord