2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[Deleted member 38674]

I find it hilarious that we hold Marco's time at Hull City - where he did really well - and Watford against him. Hull City, I mean, come on. They were doomed. Watford...again, this is Watford. I'm glad they got some good players, happy the are doing well right, but what should be the expectations, that he should win the flipping league? Come on.

No. Don’t be facetious, you know exactly what the expectations are, as we all do.

The expectation should be that 6 months after spending £100m, we aren’t knocked out of both cups early doors (in winnable ties) and sat in 11th below West Ham, Watford, Leicester, having taken 1 point from 18 against the top six.

Actually, I can strip it back to an even more basic level. For the majority fans, an acceptable expectation at this stage would simply be a clear identity. A plan. A window into our future under Marco Silva.

It might be kick and rush, counter attacking, tiki-taka, route one, or something else entirely. We’ve seen none of that. I think most blues, like me, could accept the results this season if it looked like there was still a grand plan, of sorts. There doesn’t / isn’t.

Us blues don’t need much excuse to get excited. Just give us a straw or two to clutch to, Marco!

 

[evertony]

Everytime I watch one of those behind the scenes YouTube clips at Finch Farm there is always two distinct groups. One with all the South American, French and players of African origin. The other is all the British and Irish players along with Gomes and Tosun.

Maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there but it's always the same players together.

Be careful. Jazzy QC may have you nailed for libellous deformation stereotyping....

 

[TopBalconyView]

Everytime I watch one of those behind the scenes YouTube clips at Finch Farm there is always two distinct groups. One with all the South American, French and players of African origin. The other is all the British and Irish players along with Gomes and Tosun.

Maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there but it's always the same players together.

Cliques, the cancer of a football club.

 

[BlueToff]

If people want Gueye to be sold because 'the season is already over', then in my mind they're waiving the right to want Silva sacked.

I could be wide of the mark, but surely the two are contradictory? i.e. selling one of your better players because 'the season is over', but then wanting the manager out because of our current position?

 

[Khalekan]

The season is over. You can't save something that has already gone. Saturday night cannot be changed. The last 8 weeks can't be rewinded.

So the premise of Kings article is completely flawed.

Yes....I thought that as soon as I saw the headline.


Given we rarely win away and we have eight games on the road to come added to the fact will not be favourites in five of our seven remaining home games suggests to me we will struggle to finish in the top half.

This season is already dead as far as I am concerned.

 

[Goat]

If people want Gueye to be sold because 'the season is already over', then in my mind they're waiving the right to want Silva sacked.

I could be wide of the mark, but surely the two are contradictory? i.e. selling one of your better players because 'the season is over', but then wanting the manager out because of our current position?

Sell Gana, use the money to sack Silva.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Sell Gana, use the money to sack Silva.

Also force PSG to take one of Davies / Schneiderin / McCarthy as part of the deal, no additional fee required. Three birds with one stone.

 

[Blueclouds]

Just keep hold of him till the summer. Let him fight for his job. No need to panic right now. Season over anyway and we are not going to find a replacement yet.

 

[evertony]

He needs to be given two seasons minimum. The change in thinking, personnel and mental attitude just can’t be done in 6-8 months....it’s too big an ask. We’ve won nothing for 25 years, so how do we expect a manager to change it in less than one?
This manager is here on the back of two painfully negative coaches in Koeman and Allardyce. Prior to that we thought and hoped the School of Science was back for Summer term under Martinez....and with more focus on the defensive demands of the game we may well have marched towards the light at he end of the quarter-century tunnel. Before that we’d all grown stale with Moyes and his tedious ‘play for a draw’ mentality that more often than not had us getting beat and unable to come from behind.
It’s ingrained in this Club. It’s ingrained in us the supporters, in the players, in the coaching staff, the Directors and probably the Tea Lady and whoever cleans the toilets. It’s amplified as them over the park are on fire (if only that were literal),and the fact that Origi’s bizarre 96th minute goal in the Derby is what’s brought this bout of ‘Everton that’ upon us just makes it ten times worse.

Changing manager won’t solve most of those issues. I’d stick with the fella...I think he has the balls to start dealing with players who aren’t half-assed about the Club, or who can’t learn simple football concepts. I think he’s been reluctant to savage them on the basis he hoped the honeymoon libido would last just long enough for them to grasp his methods. Alas, they haven’t and I expect he and Brands will come out all guns fighting in the next few weeks.

As an aside, I keep reading it’s the fault of zonal marking. Well, I’m not a fan of it, but I do know zonal marking doesn’t stop you being able to head a ball.

How refreshing it would be to put Huddersfield to the sword tomorrow, follow up with an entertaining win against Wolves at the weekend and then go toe-to-toe in confidence against the hopefully soon-to-be-crowned Champions.

We need some positivity.

 

[4737carlin]

A huge cloud will be lifted from this club when rubbish like Baines and Jagielka are finally shown the door.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if there is bad blood in the squad they'll be in the thick of it.

Two proper Evertonians, professional attitude, wore the shirt with pride on and off the pitch, need more players like them.

 

[Igrok]

I would be very careful about making libelous comments like that if I were you.
As a retired Solicitor I can tell you that Baines and Jagielka are likely to have a very strong cause of action against you.
I think that the moderators should also be aware that you place the Forum in potential peril.

You can’t sue a bot, can u?

 

[Tubey]

If people want Gueye to be sold because 'the season is already over', then in my mind they're waiving the right to want Silva sacked.

I could be wide of the mark, but surely the two are contradictory? i.e. selling one of your better players because 'the season is over', but then wanting the manager out because of our current position?

I don't get the point you're trying to make? The two situations aren't related.

The reasons to sell Gana is because the season is over and this will be the best fee we can get for him. His head is turned, so may as well milk what we can for him.

I don't see the contradiction with that view and wanting Silva gone, because there's pretty much nothing Silva can do now to rescue himself. He could win the next 15 games convincingly but it's after the fact and largely doesn't matter as he couldn't get the job done when it mattered. It's like a club being relegated then winning every game after they're already down - who gives a toss? Granted, 15 wins means he'd keep his job, that's the reality, but I'd be amazed if we didn't immediately go back to being crap when the games mattered again.

The only way you can advocate Silva staying at this point in my view is if you place the blame on the players. But for me, the players aren't choosing to zonal mark, regardless of the evidence it doesn't work. That's management.

 

[Tubey]

He needs to be given two seasons minimum. The change in thinking, personnel and mental attitude just can’t be done in 6-8 months....it’s too big an ask. We’ve won nothing for 25 years, so how do we expect a manager to change it in less than one?
This manager is here on the back of two painfully negative coaches in Koeman and Allardyce. Prior to that we thought and hoped the School of Science was back for Summer term under Martinez....and with more focus on the defensive demands of the game we may well have marched towards the light at he end of the quarter-century tunnel. Before that we’d all grown stale with Moyes and his tedious ‘play for a draw’ mentality that more often than not had us getting beat and unable to come from behind.
It’s ingrained in this Club. It’s ingrained in us the supporters, in the players, in the coaching staff, the Directors and probably the Tea Lady and whoever cleans the toilets. It’s amplified as them over the park are on fire (if only that were literal),and the fact that Origi’s bizarre 96th minute goal in the Derby is what’s brought this bout of ‘Everton that’ upon us just makes it ten times worse.

Changing manager won’t solve most of those issues. I’d stick with the fella...I think he has the balls to start dealing with players who aren’t half-assed about the Club, or who can’t learn simple football concepts. I think he’s been reluctant to savage them on the basis he hoped the honeymoon libido would last just long enough for them to grasp his methods. Alas, they haven’t and I expect he and Brands will come out all guns fighting in the next few weeks.

As an aside, I keep reading it’s the fault of zonal marking. Well, I’m not a fan of it, but I do know zonal marking doesn’t stop you being able to head a ball.

How refreshing it would be to put Huddersfield to the sword tomorrow, follow up with an entertaining win against Wolves at the weekend and then go toe-to-toe in confidence against the hopefully soon-to-be-crowned Champions.

We need some positivity.

If he was a manager with any sort of track record, I'd agree with you. But he does not. There's nothing to justify giving him the benefit of the doubt - he was a punt to begin with and it hasn't worked.

We keep paying some of the highest wages in football for managers who haven't proven anything in the game - Martinez, Koeman, Silva; all middle of the road limited managers.

So yeah, I agree with the sentiment, but I don't apply it to Silva. Bring in a manager with a decent record in a decent league - we pay enough money to attract one - then give them two years no matter what.

 

[Tubey]

Just keep hold of him till the summer. Let him fight for his job. No need to panic right now. Season over anyway and we are not going to find a replacement yet.

Like with Allardyce, I'd be very disappointed if Moshiri hasn't made his mind up regardless of what Silva does now. The Southampton game was the tipping point but that Millwall game was the nail in the coffin.

I see him as a caretaker manager at this point. If he's here next season I'll be disgusted.

 

[bicycleheader]

I don't get the point you're trying to make? The two situations aren't related.

The reasons to sell Gana is because the season is over and this will be the best fee we can get for him. His head is turned, so may as well milk what we can for him.

I don't see the contradiction with that view and wanting Silva gone, because there's pretty much nothing Silva can do now to rescue himself. He could win the next 15 games convincingly but it's after the fact and largely doesn't matter as he couldn't get the job done when it mattered. It's like a club being relegated then winning every game after they're already down - who gives a toss? Granted, 15 wins means he'd keep his job, that's the reality, but I'd be amazed if we didn't immediately go back to being crap when the games mattered again.

The only way you can advocate Silva staying at this point in my view is if you place the blame on the players. But for me, the players aren't choosing to zonal mark, regardless of the evidence it doesn't work. That's management.

I blame Moshiri, then Koeman/Walsh, then the players and finally Silva.

Start of next season I'd hope to see Brand holding sway more than Moshiri who should be seen and not heard, most of the Koeman/Walsh stain should be gone and with the rest of the squad cleanup in the summer I 'd hope we would have more of a chance of building a new team spirit with none of the penchant for rudderless capitulation thats become the norm for years.

If the manager then can't prosper in the season to come then fair enough the blame will more squarely lie with him.

For now though he walked into a mess of a club and I'm not overly shocked that he is hasn't gotten us firing after little over half the season.