2018/19 Kieran Dowell

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ganistuk said:
Don't forget Winks is just about to turn 23. Sometimes we write promising players off too early. When they come into the team, expectation and fear is low - then gradually the pressure builds. Also a lot easier to transition into a consistently settled and winning side like Spurs, where they can develop without being expected to be the saviour.

I have no idea whether Dowell will ever push on, but the club seem to think he has a great chance, so let's get behind him whilst he is still one of us.
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This happens alot with the young lads Pochetino brings through, he dosent seem to farm them out on loan everywere, he tends to keep them at the club and only really bring them through at 21-22-23, unless he's short on numbers (Oliver Skipp), Kyle Walker Peters is currently the next one that may be pushed in in 12 months or so, he is 22 in April and has only made 5 premier league appearences for Spurs, obviously he feels players are ready at a different age tan others
 

Timak said:
Always staggered by the posters on here who write off players. He is 21, an England U21 international, a U20 World Cup winner, scored 10 for Nottingham Forest as a 19/20 year old.

At the same age £45m Gylfi was playing in the Championship and PSG wanted Gueye was playing for Lille B.

Meanwhile £27m flop Tosun is given more leeway than £1m 21 year old DCL.
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But mate, how do you expect to be seen as an all-knowing, all-seeing football sage if you actually wait for evidence to base an opinion on rather than jump in with a fully formed, set in stone conclusion before anyone else?
 
banno said:
OK deemed too a greater risk in bigger games because he was bog average in the lesser games. Pre-season he looked poor. 2nd half of his loan with Forest he was poor and fans called for him to be dropped. How long do we give him? He hasn't shown aptitude to battle. Loan is his best chance but I think he is getting close to do or die time.
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What lesser games, he’s only had one and half games in 3 years! As stated earlier in the first game he was arguably man of the match. Forest changed manager to a defensive one who played him in a different role from the one he’d been playing successfully in for first half of the season. There was a good article on his performance at Forest which showed the similarity to his passing and De Bruyne. That’s rare for an English player. He needs to be given time to develop, he won’t probably mature till he’s 23. Everton’s handling of him has been poor imho.
 

Barnfred 55 said:
Said this a few times mate. I've seen him play that role for England U21s, and he's more involves simply because where he is playing. He links the play very well. He would need a Niasse type player alongside him though.
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Presume you mean Gana! I agree with you about his position. That was were he played against Rotherham & I thought he was our best player. He deserved a chance in that role in some games before Gomes got fit. Then I’d have played him off the bench as a sub for Gomes. Instead we’ve got no one else in the squad who can pass like Gomes plus I think Dowell can actually break from a deeper position by running at players. So if Gomes isn’t playing well we’ve literally got no one who can come in and play that role. Makes no sense to me not to have had Dowell on the bench & to regularly give him some time on the pitch as a sub and see how he goes. The team have hardly been pulling up trees!
 
jceverton said:
What lesser games, he’s only had one and half games in 3 years! As stated earlier in the first game he was arguably man of the match. Forest changed manager to a defensive one who played him in a different role from the one he’d been playing successfully in for first half of the season. There was a good article on his performance at Forest which showed the similarity to his passing and De Bruyne. That’s rare for an English player. He needs to be given time to develop, he won’t probably mature till he’s 23. Everton’s handling of him has been poor imho.
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One and a half games in 3 years!!! Won't mature until he is 23. They are precisely the reasons he is out on loan. We cannot carry a player hoping he will come good. He has to show initiative from the start and he never did enough to convince any of the managers that have been in charge. He is currently still an unrealised potential that may or may not make it. He hasn't done enough to convince our managers so far that he is currently beneficial to the team.
 
Why oh why is this guy not getting a chance when all those overpaid mercenaries are stinking the place out every week?

Boyhood blue, knows the club and is a boss talent. Just put him in the team until the end of the season we won’t finish higher than 7th anyway so might as well develop one of our own no brainier IMHO.
 
jceverton said:
What lesser games, he’s only had one and half games in 3 years! As stated earlier in the first game he was arguably man of the match. Forest changed manager to a defensive one who played him in a different role from the one he’d been playing successfully in for first half of the season. There was a good article on his performance at Forest which showed the similarity to his passing and De Bruyne. That’s rare for an English player. He needs to be given time to develop, he won’t probably mature till he’s 23. Everton’s handling of him has been poor imho.
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jceverton said:
Presume you mean Gana! I agree with you about his position. That was were he played against Rotherham & I thought he was our best player. He deserved a chance in that role in some games before Gomes got fit. Then I’d have played him off the bench as a sub for Gomes. Instead we’ve got no one else in the squad who can pass like Gomes plus I think Dowell can actually break from a deeper position by running at players. So if Gomes isn’t playing well we’ve literally got no one who can come in and play that role. Makes no sense to me not to have had Dowell on the bench & to regularly give him some time on the pitch as a sub and see how he goes. The team have hardly been pulling up trees!
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Things like this don't help our young players in my opinion. I stuck up for Dowell after that Rotherham game because I thought he did alright, but how anybody could even have had him in the conversation for man of the match I don't know. I feel like some people are just so biased towards the young lads that it becomes difficult to have a reasonable conversation because they refuse to see when someone isn't producing.
 

I'm not comparing him to Foden but look at City, personally I think they are being way too cautious with him. In matches they are well up he is getting stoppage time. It's a bit peculiar.

I've not an iota of an idea what point I am trying to make, like.
 
Lanolin said:
Things like this don't help our young players in my opinion. I stuck up for Dowell after that Rotherham game because I thought he did alright, but how anybody could even have had him in the conversation for man of the match I don't know. I feel like some people are just so biased towards the young lads that it becomes difficult to have a reasonable conversation because they refuse to see when someone isn't producing.
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"There were fine performances from Dowell, Digne and Ramires"

Final summing up from Andy in his match report from the Rotherham game.

All about opinions, but as usual only your opinion counts.:)
 
Barnfred 55 said:
"There were fine performances from Dowell, Digne and Ramires"

Final summing up from Andy in his match report from the Rotherham game.

All about opinions, but as usual only your opinion counts.:)
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Look mate, I agree with many of your opinions, I think you talk a lot of sense, and I like seeing other opinions on here, but every time I disagree with you, you take your bat home. I can be a bit abrasive on here, I get that, but I certainly don't mind holding my hands up and admitting it when I make a bad call, nor do I try to pass myself off as infallible. You seem to be the only one who takes it to heart and holds a grudge. You're an adult, you don't need to hark back to an online disagreement about football 6 months ago every time you reply to a post.

https://readeverton.com/2018/08/29/everton-player-ratings-rotherham-cup/
/https://readeverton.com/2018/08/30/everton-3-1-rotherham-alexs-player-ratings/
ttps://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-player-ratings-lucas-digne-15088543

The first 3 sets of player ratings on google see him get 3 5/10s, he was widely panned on here aswell. As I said, personally I didn't think he was that bad, but it was never a man of the match performance in a million years.
 
Lanolin said:
Things like this don't help our young players in my opinion. I stuck up for Dowell after that Rotherham game because I thought he did alright, but how anybody could even have had him in the conversation for man of the match I don't know. I feel like some people are just so biased towards the young lads that it becomes difficult to have a reasonable conversation because they refuse to see when someone isn't producing.
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Interesting , my perspective is the opposite, that on GOT the reasonable voices about young players are just drowned out by the continuous denigration of our youngsters to the extent I rarely bother responding these days to anything on the DCL, Kenny, Davies threads , it’s just going to be mostly negative. A good case in point is Tom Davies, a young player who has failed to live up to the expectations we had of him and is too young/ inexperienced/ not good enough to turn this team around on his own. Read any 10 pages on his thread , even when he’s not playing , and he’s clearly the worst player to pull on a Blue shirt in the PL era . Bizzarely people often ended a long rant about him with something like “ if he wasn’t a youngster from Liverpool he’d get more stick” , so I’m not sure what kind of reasonable conversation you were hoping to have.
 

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