I don’t know why, but I just keep thinking of this Kenny Everett character.
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I don’t know why, but I just keep thinking of this Kenny Everett character.
Man City United and Chelsea have a hell of a lot more money than than us and always had better squads
2 of those have had a DOF who bought the right type of players who suited the system
We have less money a poorer squad and a previous DOF who wasted millions on crap unsuitable players
Would any of the 3 clubs bought even one of the following players
Williams
Martina
Bolassie
Klassen
Sandro
Schnederlin
That’s without mentioning some of the crap BBS bought
Hopefully those type of purchases are behind us and if Silva wanted to buy a player Brands didn’t rate he would be told no.
Moshiri wanted Brands from day one and it’s starting to look like it was the right choice
Imagine the squad we would have now if Brands had of been here from day one of Moshiris reign with the money that had been spent
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Klopps first season in charge, he finished in the joint lowest league position that Liverpool have finished since 1953 when they where relegated.
Bear in mind the excuse of him not being in charge all season us frankly a bit rubbish as he was appointed red after only 8 games of the season - as he was pretty much not far away from a full season in charge in reality.
Their owners seemed for once to have at least a bit of an idea that putting in place a new playing style and system may not mean an instant improvement as long as you can see the development happening such as you can here also.
That sums up the conversation perfectly
I do appreciate what you’re getting at but the phrases you suggest are offensive are now pretty old turns of phrases.
I don’t think for a moment anyone is suggesting people who disapprove of Marco Silva are genuinely in need of sectioning, perhaps we shouldn’t be so harsh on people who, let’s be honest, aren’t having a deliberate dig at mental health.
On this point, I do think people who aren’t behind the manager are being silly.
There wasn’t enough money to buy Gomes so I don’t think the money was there to buy a striker
We all knew we needed a LB and a CH and a LW
Those 3 positions were sorted
After that the money ran out due to the fact we could not sell our rubbish
Zouma and Mina were loaned and Bernard on a free
Brands openly stated we couldn’t afford Gomes
I wasn’t in favour of Silvas appointment
I wanted Emery , Zorro ,and one or two others before him
His defensive records and his inability to stop a slide at previous clubs worried me
However he’s here now so I’ll support him till I feel he’s going backward
He seems to have a plan and a philosophy and is trying to implement it
He hasn’t got the players he wants yet to implement it
What he has got though is Brands in his corner
Brands has stated before he is very much hands on and is not afraid to get involved on the training ground
I’m sure if he sees an obvious problem and a way to fix it he will have a quiet word in Silvas ear
Give him this window and the next one along with a full pre season and see how he does
I would assume at this stage both Brands and Silva know what they need to implement Silvas philosophy and playing style and are identifying players to suit it
Hopefully next summer players are bought in early and Silva given the time to work with them
If by next Christmas we are not looking as though we are clearly the best of the rest then a few question may need to be asked
I wanted Emery , Zorro ,and one or two others before him
His defensive records and his inability to stop a slide at previous clubs worried me
However he’s here now so I’ll support him till I feel he’s going backward
He seems to have a plan and a philosophy and is trying to implement it
He hasn’t got the players he wants yet to implement it
What he has got though is Brands in his corner
Brands has stated before he is very much hands on and is not afraid to get involved on the training ground
I’m sure if he sees an obvious problem and a way to fix it he will have a quiet word in Silvas ear
Give him this window and the next one along with a full pre season and see how he does
I would assume at this stage both Brands and Silva know what they need to implement Silvas philosophy and playing style and are identifying players to suit it
Hopefully next summer players are bought in early and Silva given the time to work with them
If by next Christmas we are not looking as though we are clearly the best of the rest then a few question may need to be asked
Blue Roo
Player Valuation: £20m
My concern would be that Silva's style is not going to be successful.
But do have faith that in Brands we have the man to make the judgement call.
The majority of Styles of football can be successful in the modern era IF you have the right players with the right attributes in the right positions
343. 352 433 4231 even 442 can work if excuted properly
At the end of the day it’s about the players moreso than the system
City have a squad that could play most systems with possibly the exception of a 442 because they don’t have the required type of CF
blueboy1664
Player Valuation: £1m
not apples with apples mate.... Moyes was working under different regime
blueboy1664
Player Valuation: £1m
I agree but are we talking about managers or sorcerers? do you honestly believe that after 4 months his performance can be measured against purely points and position
I genuinely believe between Koeman / Walsh / BFS we have put the club put back 5 years on the pitch and OFF and severely cost the club as proved in the released books May 2018. Koeman's hierarchy management style and approach never reached the media and he was nothing short of a dictator
With regards to Man city and United.... united have faltered severely since Sir Alex.... only the fact of his 20+ years in charge has been damage limitation beciasue of the security he had built. Moyes, Giggs, Van Gall and Mourinhno have single handily destroyed what he did.... by the way he only left 6 years ago
Man City, hmmmm lots of managers yes but spending beyond any recognition which will never be allowed to repeat ever again with FFP
The comparisons with both Man city and Man Utd are flawed IMO
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
I feel that Vitor Pereira lobbyists (aka 'team Vitor') might be rousing...
Blue Roo
Player Valuation: £20m
Agree if you have the right players you can make any system work - to a certain extent.
Even if you have the right players, you can have a manger sticking to a system/philosophy that he can't get to work.
United under Mourinho and Van Gaal are perfect cases in point.
How can you not make a 4-2-3-1 perform and look better when you have Matic, Pogba and Mata.
Or a manager's philosophy based on total football that can't punch its way out of wet paper bag.
They were safe bets to get something - League, FA and Eufa Cups - but the football has been dreadful to watch, uninspiring and the blame has to be more on the managers than the players. Not having the right players doesn't wash.
Part of it is that their systems don't work. I'm sure Mourinho is glad to get out of there and have the time to rethink things.
Formations are an oversimplification, only helpful these days to define the positions, but not the roles, system or style.
Football is so much more complexed these days because managers have players skillful enough to exploit the other sides weaknesses.
There is one formation, despite the different way a manger can make it work, that I have a problem with - the 4231.
Mourinho's 4231 has been a dead fish at times despite the players he's had bc of how it can be exploited.
So he has chopped and changed undoubtedly making the situation worse.
Silva's on field strengths have been to get the team pressing successfully in the opposition half and to 'counter' from anywhere on the field.
To his credit he is working out with the players how to reduce the risk of pressing high; and he's excused from not being as successful on the counter because the quality of execution hasn't been there.
If you look at the strengths it based on:
1. Forcing the opposition into mistakes and capitalising
2. Creating and exploiting space to counter in.
2b. Drawing in play on one side to create space and scoring opportunities.
But there has to be more.
The above is as much, if not more, about exploiting sides weaknesses as it is about creating opportunities.
Which means while the opposition can use the riskiness of Silva's methods to exploit, they can also readily identify what to nullify as well.
Newcastle and Watford did both pretty well. The thing is they only ended up with draws.
If Silva can add another dimension to his teams play then these become victories.
Ie to marry the above with creativity, and control of the game while in possession.
So irrespective of what the other side is doing, the players need to become more of a threat in what they're doing.
And the squad we have is good enough to be playing to this way, even if at the moment it might not produce the results we want.
Silva has to prove he can do this with the 'tools' he's got.
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £70m
I can’t blame Silva for the countless missed chances he past few games or the mega blunder by Pickford. When it comes to it, we’ve had great chances to take most of those games apart from City and maybe Chelsea.
I do think he has mishandled Tosun horribly though. He plays like a CF rather than a striker (same as Sigurdsson), but he keeps playing them together for whatever reason. They both want to be the lamppost in the center that dictates play, and they both need runners.
Of all my criticisms, that is probably the biggest one aside from our set pieces on both sides.
I do think he has mishandled Tosun horribly though. He plays like a CF rather than a striker (same as Sigurdsson), but he keeps playing them together for whatever reason. They both want to be the lamppost in the center that dictates play, and they both need runners.
Of all my criticisms, that is probably the biggest one aside from our set pieces on both sides.
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £50m
Comparing Klopp and Guardiola to Silva is ridiculous. Both were very successful, top-level managers before they came here. The same can certainly not be said about Silva.
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