Usmanov

[roydo]

That's it. We have time for morals and ethics while we are not part of it, but even though our club is apparently clean, honest and community focused, we might be just as good as spinning that story as actually being like that. I agree, we are good when it suits us, but otherwise, we need the money !

Its what we are. If Sala played for us, we would hate Ramos, if Dunc played for them we would want him still in Barlinie.

No point fighting it.

 

[Brisan123]

Quite.

Being a football supporter is a quasi acceptance that you will be a hypocrite. Its just an inescapable truth, be it a chant, subscribing to Sky, accepting Sky money, or welcoming a barrow full of cash.

We shrug, justify it in our own mind, and look forward to Saturday. Lets face it, most are more bothered who will play Left Back.

We had no left back for most of last season now we have 2
Football eh lol

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Weird article with a strong whiff of "8th place, what more do they want"

The premier league's TV revenues dwarf those of Italy or Germany, a byproduct being the number of, even relatively modest premier league clubs now entering the higher echelons of Europe's top twenty.


There are notable targets in other leagues but all have significant obstacles, Bayern, AC Milan and AS Roma have been cited, new ambitious owners will not be as easy to displace and the Italian league especially has revenue problems. For me the premier league is probably easier and more likely.


Despite the articles slightly tongue in cheek mode of writing, which plays on the aspirations of fans across numerous aspiring clubs, although of very differing sizes, in an attempt to play down or slightly belittle such hopes as virtually groundless, it doesn't really separate the more likely from the fanciful very well.


The premier league though does seem to me where the riches are and the place where the foreign multi billionaire's and oil rich sheiks flock to.


If he decides on investing in a club, and if he sees the premier league rather than serie a or elsewhere in Europe as the best place for a return, then he's likely to invest here in Everton. The club has for a few seasons now been recognised as the best of the rest, and certainly since Moshiris took over, far more likely to break into the top six club than any other. Of the other premier league clubs mentioned only Newcastle are in anyway close to having a similar prospectus and for very different reasons.


His close association with Farhad and their working relationship as business partners and friends may offer him a far easier route in than Newcastle and especially the other Italian and German clubs.


In order to get personal influence over 'operations and management' and not end up with the 'Arsenal' situation of a minority shareholding but no influence, he will have to build a stake large enough to do so. A large investment is needed.


it may be that he takes a smaller stake at first, with an agreement with his friend Farhad to buy his later, or he may only take a minority holding. Either way he'll need that holding to be a majority stake in combination with his friend Farhad and large enough that not even Farhad can do anything without his agreement.


In order to do this there would have to be a willingness on Farhad's part or at least a prior arrangement to allow Usmanov to purchase a section of his own holding, hence it would have to be initiated by Moshiri himself wanting and asking his friend for help with future projects, hence the reference to 'if Farhad asks for my help, 'of course we would help' (paraphrasing).


The reference in the guardian article to a European super league is imo pertinent enough as it does seem at least fairly likely in the medium term future.


But Celtic and Rangers joining together for a Glasgow United is almost certainly written as a finishing joke and to end on a lighter note as any European super league would be highly unlikely to even look at the likes of Austria, Finland, Iceland or Scotland for teams.


In Britain, both the BBC and other sports channels are national, and therefore obliged to give a certain weighting and coverage to Scotland and its football teams, we hear, are aware and know far more about their fortunes than people from anywhere else in Europe.


The Scottish league won't even be on the radar for the vast majority of European football fans, if it is, it would be far more likely to be recognised as a minor league right on the fringes, and by a minority of more knowledgeable enthusiasts as a one team minor league right on the fringes.


Will any of the aforementioned European teams be left out of any future European super league in favour of a team (even if a combined team were possible) from such a minor league with such a non existent recent playing record in Europe?


The truth is they won't even be thought about, and the answer is definitely no.

The premier league's TV revenues dwarf those of Italy or Germany, a byproduct being the number of, even relatively modest premier league clubs now entering the higher echelons of Europe's top twenty.


There are notable targets in other leagues but all have significant obstacles, Bayern, AC Milan and AS Roma have been cited, new ambitious owners will not be as easy to displace and the Italian league especially has revenue problems. For me the premier league is probably easier and more likely.


Despite the articles slightly tongue in cheek mode of writing, which plays on the aspirations of fans across numerous aspiring clubs, although of very differing sizes, in an attempt to play down or slightly belittle such hopes as virtually groundless, it doesn't really separate the more likely from the fanciful very well.


The premier league though does seem to me where the riches are and the place where the foreign multi billionaire's and oil rich sheiks flock to.


If he decides on investing in a club, and if he sees the premier league rather than serie a or elsewhere in Europe as the best place for a return, then he's likely to invest here in Everton. The club has for a few seasons now been recognised as the best of the rest, and certainly since Moshiris took over, far more likely to break into the top six club than any other. Of the other premier league clubs mentioned only Newcastle are in anyway close to having a similar prospectus and for very different reasons.


His close association with Farhad and their working relationship as business partners and friends may offer him a far easier route in than Newcastle and especially the other Italian and German clubs.


In order to get personal influence over 'operations and management' and not end up with the 'Arsenal' situation of a minority shareholding but no influence, he will have to build a stake large enough to do so. A large investment is needed.


it may be that he takes a smaller stake at first, with an agreement with his friend Farhad to buy his later, or he may only take a minority holding. Either way he'll need that holding to be a majority stake in combination with his friend Farhad and large enough that not even Farhad can do anything without his agreement.


In order to do this there would have to be a willingness on Farhad's part or at least a prior arrangement to allow Usmanov to purchase a section of his own holding, hence it would have to be initiated by Moshiri himself wanting and asking his friend for help with future projects, hence the reference to 'if Farhad asks for my help, 'of course we would help' (paraphrasing).


The reference in the guardian article to a European super league is imo pertinent enough as it does seem at least fairly likely in the medium term future.


But Celtic and Rangers joining together for a Glasgow United is almost certainly written as a finishing joke and to end on a lighter note as any European super league would be highly unlikely to even look at the likes of Austria, Finland, Iceland or Scotland for teams.


In Britain, both the BBC and other sports channels are national, and therefore obliged to give a certain weighting and coverage to Scotland and its football teams, we hear, are aware and know far more about their fortunes than people from anywhere else in Europe.


The Scottish league won't even be on the radar for the vast majority of European football fans, if it is, it would be far more likely to be recognised as a minor league right on the fringes, and by a minority of more knowledgeable enthusiasts as a one team minor league right on the fringes.


Will any of the aforementioned European teams be left out of any future European super league in favour of a team (even if a combined team were possible) from such a minor league with such a non existent recent playing record in Europe?


The truth is they won't even be thought about, and the answer is definitely no.

 

[Gerbs]

Tldr

 

[Brisan123]

That's it. We have time for morals and ethics while we are not part of it, but even though our club is apparently clean, honest and community focused, we might be just as good as spinning that story as actually being like that. I agree, we are good when it suits us, but otherwise, we need the money !

If Usmanov comes in and gives ETIC 10 million to build housing for the homeless in Liverpool , or for education and apprenticeship schemes I don’t think too many will complain

 

[Eggs]

Its what we are. If Sala played for us, we would hate Ramos, if Dunc played for them we would want him still in Barlinie.

No point fighting it.

..I really like Ramos, even if Sala played for us and that incident happened i’d still really like Ramos. What a player, what a competitor at the highest level. Won everything yet playing the game still matters.

 

[roydo]

..I really like Ramos, even if Sala played for us and that incident happened i’d still really like Ramos. What a player, what a competitor at the highest level. Won everything yet playing the game still matters.

Me too. But you get the point!

 

[FTY]

The relationship between Moshiri and Usmanov has become confused
So let’s put it straight
Usmanov is Moshiri’s Boss
Usmanov employs Moshiri as his chief accountant and buisness advisor
Usmanov gave Moshiri his place on various company boards that Usmanov controls
Usmanov gave Moshiri his shares in his companies
Usmanov gave Moshiri his Arsenal shares
Usmanov bought Moshiri’s shares back off him and told him to go and buy Everton before those Americans that were sniffing around at the time
Yes they are friends , the same way any 2 people who work closely together who have similar interests become friends and confidants
Everything Moshiri has he got throug Usmanov

Make no mistake though their is only one man calling the shots here and it ain’t Moshiri

Mate imagine being that rich you've got an actual billionaire as a puppet

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Tldr

Yeah apologies for that, far too long and I duplicated it by mistake so it was twice as long as it was meant to be

 

[Brisan123]

Mate imagine being that rich you've got an actual billionaire as a puppet

But Moshiri is only a billionaire by the grace of Usmanov
For all we know Moshiri is only minding some of Usmanovs wealth for tax / buisness reasons.

 

[rochdaleblue]

..I really like Ramos, even if Sala played for us and that incident happened i’d still really like Ramos. What a player, what a competitor at the highest level. Won everything yet playing the game still matters.

A born winner. In this day and age of the football mercenary, (although he is still being handsomely paid) football is all about winning to him at any cost. You can just imagine what it would be like to play under him as captain, the only person who could come close is Keane in his heyday at United.

 

[donny]

..I really like Ramos, even if Sala played for us and that incident happened i’d still really like Ramos. What a player, what a competitor at the highest level. Won everything yet playing the game still matters.

I liked him before now I idolise him.He's a great player and Real would have stuffed them even if the Egyptian chap hadn't had to go off.

 

[Steve Wigan]

The premier league's TV revenues dwarf those of Italy or Germany, a byproduct being the number of, even relatively modest premier league clubs now entering the higher echelons of Europe's top twenty.


There are notable targets in other leagues but all have significant obstacles, Bayern, AC Milan and AS Roma have been cited, new ambitious owners will not be as easy to displace and the Italian league especially has revenue problems. For me the premier league is probably easier and more likely.


Despite the articles slightly tongue in cheek mode of writing, which plays on the aspirations of fans across numerous aspiring clubs, although of very differing sizes, in an attempt to play down or slightly belittle such hopes as virtually groundless, it doesn't really separate the more likely from the fanciful very well.


The premier league though does seem to me where the riches are and the place where the foreign multi billionaire's and oil rich sheiks flock to.


If he decides on investing in a club, and if he sees the premier league rather than serie a or elsewhere in Europe as the best place for a return, then he's likely to invest here in Everton. The club has for a few seasons now been recognised as the best of the rest, and certainly since Moshiris took over, far more likely to break into the top six club than any other. Of the other premier league clubs mentioned only Newcastle are in anyway close to having a similar prospectus and for very different reasons.


His close association with Farhad and their working relationship as business partners and friends may offer him a far easier route in than Newcastle and especially the other Italian and German clubs.


In order to get personal influence over 'operations and management' and not end up with the 'Arsenal' situation of a minority shareholding but no influence, he will have to build a stake large enough to do so. A large investment is needed.


it may be that he takes a smaller stake at first, with an agreement with his friend Farhad to buy his later, or he may only take a minority holding. Either way he'll need that holding to be a majority stake in combination with his friend Farhad and large enough that not even Farhad can do anything without his agreement.


In order to do this there would have to be a willingness on Farhad's part or at least a prior arrangement to allow Usmanov to purchase a section of his own holding, hence it would have to be initiated by Moshiri himself wanting and asking his friend for help with future projects, hence the reference to 'if Farhad asks for my help, 'of course we would help' (paraphrasing).


The reference in the guardian article to a European super league is imo pertinent enough as it does seem at least fairly likely in the medium term future.


But Celtic and Rangers joining together for a Glasgow United is almost certainly written as a finishing joke and to end on a lighter note as any European super league would be highly unlikely to even look at the likes of Austria, Finland, Iceland or Scotland for teams.


In Britain, both the BBC and other sports channels are national, and therefore obliged to give a certain weighting and coverage to Scotland and its football teams, we hear, are aware and know far more about their fortunes than people from anywhere else in Europe.


The Scottish league won't even be on the radar for the vast majority of European football fans, if it is, it would be far more likely to be recognised as a minor league right on the fringes, and by a minority of more knowledgeable enthusiasts as a one team minor league right on the fringes.


Will any of the aforementioned European teams be left out of any future European super league in favour of a team (even if a combined team were possible) from such a minor league with such a non existent recent playing record in Europe?


The truth is they won't even be thought about, and the answer is definitely no.

The premier league's TV revenues dwarf those of Italy or Germany, a byproduct being the number of, even relatively modest premier league clubs now entering the higher echelons of Europe's top twenty.


There are notable targets in other leagues but all have significant obstacles, Bayern, AC Milan and AS Roma have been cited, new ambitious owners will not be as easy to displace and the Italian league especially has revenue problems. For me the premier league is probably easier and more likely.


Despite the articles slightly tongue in cheek mode of writing, which plays on the aspirations of fans across numerous aspiring clubs, although of very differing sizes, in an attempt to play down or slightly belittle such hopes as virtually groundless, it doesn't really separate the more likely from the fanciful very well.


The premier league though does seem to me where the riches are and the place where the foreign multi billionaire's and oil rich sheiks flock to.


If he decides on investing in a club, and if he sees the premier league rather than serie a or elsewhere in Europe as the best place for a return, then he's likely to invest here in Everton. The club has for a few seasons now been recognised as the best of the rest, and certainly since Moshiris took over, far more likely to break into the top six club than any other. Of the other premier league clubs mentioned only Newcastle are in anyway close to having a similar prospectus and for very different reasons.


His close association with Farhad and their working relationship as business partners and friends may offer him a far easier route in than Newcastle and especially the other Italian and German clubs.


In order to get personal influence over 'operations and management' and not end up with the 'Arsenal' situation of a minority shareholding but no influence, he will have to build a stake large enough to do so. A large investment is needed.


it may be that he takes a smaller stake at first, with an agreement with his friend Farhad to buy his later, or he may only take a minority holding. Either way he'll need that holding to be a majority stake in combination with his friend Farhad and large enough that not even Farhad can do anything without his agreement.


In order to do this there would have to be a willingness on Farhad's part or at least a prior arrangement to allow Usmanov to purchase a section of his own holding, hence it would have to be initiated by Moshiri himself wanting and asking his friend for help with future projects, hence the reference to 'if Farhad asks for my help, 'of course we would help' (paraphrasing).


The reference in the guardian article to a European super league is imo pertinent enough as it does seem at least fairly likely in the medium term future.


But Celtic and Rangers joining together for a Glasgow United is almost certainly written as a finishing joke and to end on a lighter note as any European super league would be highly unlikely to even look at the likes of Austria, Finland, Iceland or Scotland for teams.


In Britain, both the BBC and other sports channels are national, and therefore obliged to give a certain weighting and coverage to Scotland and its football teams, we hear, are aware and know far more about their fortunes than people from anywhere else in Europe.


The Scottish league won't even be on the radar for the vast majority of European football fans, if it is, it would be far more likely to be recognised as a minor league right on the fringes, and by a minority of more knowledgeable enthusiasts as a one team minor league right on the fringes.


Will any of the aforementioned European teams be left out of any future European super league in favour of a team (even if a combined team were possible) from such a minor league with such a non existent recent playing record in Europe?


The truth is they won't even be thought about, and the answer is definitely no.

You've made a number of good sensible points there. All we can really do is wait and see,but sensible conjecture based on whats in the public domain makes us favourites if Mr. U decides to invest in the UK.

 

[Brisan123]

A born winner. In this day and age of the football mercenary, (although he is still being handsomely paid) football is all about winning to him at any cost. You can just imagine what it would be like to play under him as captain, the only person who could come close is Keane in his heyday at United.

Still remover Keane in the CL semi against Juventus
He got booked , knew he’d miss the final but he dragged united into that final that night
Some fantastic games as captain for Ireland as well
I remember one game against the Dutch at Landsdowne road
We were massive underdogs.
Keane kicked and I mean kicked Overmars up into the air in the first minute , more or less telling the Dutch you’ve got a kin fight on your hands here if you want to win
We won 1-0 and the Dutch finished up with 5 CF on the pitch

 

[GrumpyBlue]

Yeah apologies for that, far too long and I duplicated it by mistake so it was twice as long as it was meant to be

Tl.Dr