Sam Allardyce

[Nymzee]

That Ivory Coast side is as close as you can get to playing with a pat hand in African football

Could argue the same when Germany finally won something. All opinions of course I just don’t find Low’s coaching career to be very impressive at all. Overseeing a once successful nation’s rise back to the top of world football is good but it wasn’t all down to him at the systematic levels. Plus he’s coached clubs before and been terrible.

 

[4737carlin]

Wins the next Derby and gets a 2 year extension, calling it now

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Could argue the same when Germany finally won something. All opinions of course I just don’t find Low’s coaching career to be very impressive at all. Overseeing a once successful nation’s rise back to the top of world football is good but it wasn’t all down to him at the systematic levels. Plus he’s coached clubs before and been terrible.

He won the German Cup with Stuttgart and reached the CWC Final, as well as winning trophies in Austria

His club career is not as bad as some claim

And even if it was, it was years ago now. People grow, change and develop over time

 

[magicjuan]

I applaud what you are posting and that is the way forward. One wee problem, the fans and it shows on here as well. Fixated on trophies, get in top 4 for CL and winning games. Can the fans be patient for 2 to 4 years because in my view such a programme would need that amount of time.

Hard to say. Being in the older generation, I've seen us win many things, most of the time I've enjoyed the effort put in and acknowledged difficulties but recognised progress, perhaps this has given me patience. Back then the board generated the funds via attendances, then kept in the background, in recent time boards take a greater role due to business being ahead of success, their definition of success for the main is to retain premiership status and hope for the odd cup success.
A lot of teams have been through periods of no silverware and chopped and changed chasing it, none moreso than our ugly offspring. But we seem to have no direction whatsoever at the moment, and on the back of failed ground moves, false dawns, mixing with shady business deals etc we have missed so many opportunities due to rank incompetence it's easy to understand frustration and lack of patience.
When we lucked out against Wimbledon and Coventry we all thought that we wouldn't allow this to happen again but we've been so close too many times.
I'd like to think we could give a new manager time, but that is dependent on one thing in my eyes, Kenwright and Elstone have to go, Moshiri has got to be more professional in how the club is managed, be pragmatic and not allow Kenwright and his lacky get over sentimental and cloud his judgement. Too many opinions have swayed him.
Maybe if there was a clear out at the top then a new manager coukd be seen as the start of something, not just someone compliant in maintaining the status quo at the club, because for too long that has been mediocre or less.
Time to crap or get off the pot.

 

[Nymzee]

He won the German Cup with Stuttgart and reached the UEFA Cup Final, as well as winning trophies in Austria

His club career is not as bad as some claim

Well we can agree to disagree on the merits of a German Cup and a title in Austria with a crap record.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I think there is too much weighting on experience as in number of games/years doing the job, teams coached, safe pair of hands etc. I'd like to see us appoint somebody who has experience of coaching players and developing them and their teams both collectively and individually.

500+ PL games as manager does nothing for me if all it offers is dull pragmatism and water treading. Doing research and going out to employ the best coaches you can who actually coach and have a progressive mindset is much more appealing to me and that's the route we now need to go along.



This is a really good point too. Look at Swansea last year, Palace this, dare I say it Sunderland with Lardiola, all sides looking utterly doomed yet survived. As long as you have a core of quality you ahould be clear of relegation even if you have a disastrous spell. Arteta wouldn't be my first choice but if the proper due diligence is done and it seems he's ready for the task why not?

Because he has never managed before that's why not.

Why should he waltz in here as his first mangerial job instead of proving himself in the lower leagues?

 

[Goat]

Please tell me @Mikey_Fitzgerald isnt suggesting Arse sniffer Lowe again!!

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Please tell me @Mikey_Fitzgerald isnt suggesting Arse sniffer Lowe again!!

Do we really want this type of filthy animal managing us?



Disgusting to say the very least.

 

[Skamp]

As an outsider looking in, this has to be one of the most bizarre appointments I've ever seen. From the off, it seems most Everton fans didn't want him and during his tenure, more have sided against him. A club with of stature and ambition of Everton should never have touched him with a barge pole. I genuinely sympathise with those fans that feel like they're in a waking nightmare. The sooner he goes, the better off Everton will be, whoever ends up in charge.

 

[blue61]

Hard to say. Being in the older generation, I've seen us win many things, most of the time I've enjoyed the effort put in and acknowledged difficulties but recognised progress, perhaps this has given me patience. Back then the board generated the funds via attendances, then kept in the background, in recent time boards take a greater role due to business being ahead of success, their definition of success for the main is to retain premiership status and hope for the odd cup success.
A lot of teams have been through periods of no silverware and chopped and changed chasing it, none moreso than our ugly offspring. But we seem to have no direction whatsoever at the moment, and on the back of failed ground moves, false dawns, mixing with shady business deals etc we have missed so many opportunities due to rank incompetence it's easy to understand frustration and lack of patience.
When we lucked out against Wimbledon and Coventry we all thought that we wouldn't allow this to happen again but we've been so close too many times.
I'd like to think we could give a new manager time, but that is dependent on one thing in my eyes, Kenwright and Elstone have to go, Moshiri has got to be more professional in how the club is managed, be pragmatic and not allow Kenwright and his lacky get over sentimental and cloud his judgement. Too many opinions have swayed him.
Maybe if there was a clear out at the top then a new manager coukd be seen as the start of something, not just someone compliant in maintaining the status quo at the club, because for too long that has been mediocre or less.
Time to crap or get off the pot.

Couldn't agree more, even El Pep would struggle under the current buffoons.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

He was brought in to do a job , looks like he will accomplish it , so in his warped mind he will class it as a successful spell

 

[paul11]

He was brought in to do a job , looks like he will accomplish it , so in his warped mind he will class it as a successful spell

Your right he will class himself as a success here but in all honesty any manager in world football could have kept us up

 

[Timak]

Your right he will class himself as a success here but in all honesty any manager in world football could have kept us up

We are only 7 points off the bottom 3 as it stands.

I'm not counting chickens until we are on about 45 points.

 

[Borussin]

I don't agree with this whatsoever

National managers can absolutely convert to being successful club managers

Look no further than a previous Germany manager in Franz Beckenbauer

Won the World Cup in 1990 and then went on to win Ligue 1, The Bundesliga and the UEFA Cup

It can definitely be done, and I think he will do it, it just depends who he does it for

Jogi Löw's club career prior to managing Germany was mediocre at best.

But that of course was a long while ago now.

But, I don't believe he's leaving the German job after the world cup. He'll coach them in the European championships then leave when his contract is up.

 

[blueblue]

Hard to say. Being in the older generation, I've seen us win many things, most of the time I've enjoyed the effort put in and acknowledged difficulties but recognised progress, perhaps this has given me patience. Back then the board generated the funds via attendances, then kept in the background, in recent time boards take a greater role due to business being ahead of success, their definition of success for the main is to retain premiership status and hope for the odd cup success.
A lot of teams have been through periods of no silverware and chopped and changed chasing it, none moreso than our ugly offspring. But we seem to have no direction whatsoever at the moment, and on the back of failed ground moves, false dawns, mixing with shady business deals etc we have missed so many opportunities due to rank incompetence it's easy to understand frustration and lack of patience.
When we lucked out against Wimbledon and Coventry we all thought that we wouldn't allow this to happen again but we've been so close too many times.
I'd like to think we could give a new manager time, but that is dependent on one thing in my eyes, Kenwright and Elstone have to go, Moshiri has got to be more professional in how the club is managed, be pragmatic and not allow Kenwright and his lacky get over sentimental and cloud his judgement. Too many opinions have swayed him.
Maybe if there was a clear out at the top then a new manager coukd be seen as the start of something, not just someone compliant in maintaining the status quo at the club, because for too long that has been mediocre or less.
Time to crap or get off the pot.

Weirdly, I would say that since the influence of Bill Kenwright has diminished we have lost our focus and direction.
Under Bill we knew what we had, many didn't like it ... a mid table club arguably punching above it's weight.

However, at the moment we are all over the shop. Top tier spending, mid to lower table team and no idea about the manager going forward.