Should we go for Silva?

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Spurs were below us when Poch took over.

Yes that Spurs team.

I said if he had the kind of success he had at previous clubs in europe he would get us CL. I didn't say he would for sure but we definitely have more chance with him than Big Sam or any other manager who has been mentioned that we can realistically get.

I get you dont like Martinez and for some reason you have lumped him in that bracket but say you are right was he really that bad? European run including topping a very hard group, semi finals, 5th place. For 18 months he did very very well, can you say the same for Koeman who was at best very average and Big Sam who hasn't even reached those heights.

Why is Martinez still the bogey man.

This really isnt the place for Martinez talk tbh mate as he has his own thread in the world football section so I'll just say this. Yes he was that bad, among other things he did here was deliver the worst home league win record in the club's history. I could go on forever about that charlatan but as i said, this isn't the place for it and the guy is gone now so it seems a bit pointless to make this about him.

But to get to your point about Spurs, they had already finished in the top four once before poch took over and they already had the basis of a good side which just needed a good manager to bring it out of them and add some excellent additions. We have an awful side and Marco Silva is an awful manager. The situation are completely diffent.

 

[Blues Harp]

That's another reason. With a manager who plays possession football some of these expensive flops may actually be quite good. Sandra, Klassen etc

I hate to say it but Tosun already looks to be another in that bracket. I don't think Sam rates him.

After TWO games ?? what planet are you on ?? go back to FIFA 18 or whatever fantasy game you play...lollol

 

[TraffordBlue]

Get Silva in and let him bring Richayrson and Doncoure to send Bolasie to the bench and Schnerderlin out the door.

Think he's fantastic and I sincerely hope Moshiri is waiting to boot Sam by the end of the season and bring him in. Cant take much more of the dour football.

What has Silva done to make you think he is fantastic out of interest?

It seems to me that those in the anti-Allardyce camp are against him for 2 reasons - one is his integrity, and the other is his 'dour football'.

So using Marco Silva as a comparison, how can those who dismiss Allardyce for his questionable integrity justify the appointment of a man who approximately 10 games in to his new job, downed tools when he had an approach from a different club? Is that the type of manager these people want here? Whenever Lukaku mentioned he was using us as a stepping stone, our fans didn't like it, so what do they think Silva will do if he came and did well here and got a better job offer? He'd jump ship as he clearly has no loyalty.

The other issue people have about Allardyce is his style, which I appreciate to an extent. However, what has Silva got that makes him a justifiable appointment for this job? He took Hull down. He's now overseen a run of just 5 points in 30 available for Watford, with some heavy defeats this season - including 6 conceded at home to Man City, a 4-1 defeat at home to Huddersfield who have an awful away record, and a loss at home to bottom of the league Swansea. His Watford side had conceded the 2nd most in the league and he would have to come in to EFC and sort our defence out which is a major weakness in our team.

I don't think he has the qualities needed to manage this club.

 

[Blues Harp]

CL place ?? at the moment, IF we get a decent manager IF we buy some decent players who can play as a team And finally IF we get shut of mediocrity lovers such as Billy liar & co, we may have a chance in about 5 years or even longer...Something is rotten in the club we used to be...Silva? David please....

 

[kenada_blue]

What has Silva done to make you think he is fantastic out of interest?

It seems to me that those in the anti-Allardyce camp are against him for 2 reasons - one is his integrity, and the other is his 'dour football'.

So using Marco Silva as a comparison, how can those who dismiss Allardyce for his questionable integrity justify the appointment of a man who approximately 10 games in to his new job, downed tools when he had an approach from a different club? Is that the type of manager these people want here? Whenever Lukaku mentioned he was using us as a stepping stone, our fans didn't like it, so what do they think Silva will do if he came and did well here and got a better job offer? He'd jump ship as he clearly has no loyalty.

The other issue people have about Allardyce is his style, which I appreciate to an extent. However, what has Silva got that makes him a justifiable appointment for this job? He took Hull down. He's now overseen a run of just 5 points in 30 available for Watford, with some heavy defeats this season - including 6 conceded at home to Man City, a 4-1 defeat at home to Huddersfield who have an awful away record, and a loss at home to bottom of the league Swansea. His Watford side had conceded the 2nd most in the league and he would have to come in to EFC and sort our defence out which is a major weakness in our team.

I don't think he has the qualities needed to manage this club.

Close thread

 

[TraffordBlue]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42765881

This is interesting and something I had no idea about given the ridiculously over the top praise Silva was getting early on in the season.

Before Everton approached Silva:

Played 11, Won 4, Drew 3, Lost 4*, GF 17, GA 21 = minus 4GD. Points 15 from 33

Sam Allardyce since taking over.

Played 11, Won 3, Drew 4, Lost 4*, GF 10, GA 13 = minus 3GD. Points 13 from 33.

*counting Liverpool Cup defeat as if it is a league game, and not counted the Limassol win as Allardyce didn't travel. One of Watford's defeats is a defeat at home to Bristol City in the Carabao Cup.

So Silva was meant to have been this great manager with free flowing entertaining football and only earned the equivalent of 15 points from 33 with a minus 4 goal difference. Allardyce is berated for being awful by large sections of the fanbase yet has only 2 points less, and actually comes away with a better goal difference from the same number of games.

Watford's 11 games included 4 against members of the current top/big 6 - Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal at home, and Chelsea away.
Everton's 11 games under Allardyce include 5 against members of the current top/big 6 - Liverpool away x 2, Spurs away, and Man United and Chelsea at home.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

This really isnt the place for Martinez talk tbh mate as he has his own thread in the world football section so I'll just say this. Yes he was that bad, among other things he did here was deliver the worst home league win record in the club's history. I could go on forever about that charlatan but as i said, this isn't the place for it and the guy is gone now so it seems a bit pointless to make this about him.

But to get to your point about Spurs, they had already finished in the top four once before poch took over and they already had the basis of a good side which just needed a good manager to bring it out of them and add some excellent additions. We have an awful side and Marco Silva is an awful manager. The situation are completely diffent.

The Dutchman was far worse than Martinez

 

[GwladysBlue]

The Dutchman was far worse than Martinez

No.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Martinez had one good season, one OK season and one crap season, and not all the players he signed were crap. Barry, Lukaku, Deulofeu, Holgate, Joel, McCarthy, hell, even Niasse, because at least he tries. Out of the Koeman signings, Gueye, DCL, Sigurdsson and Pickford are the only ones I have any time for. And Martinez got us into two semi finals - how far did Koeman get us in any cups? Not to mention we didn't even get out of the group under him in Europa.

As for Silva, he can't be any worse than Allardyce.

 

[Boss_Rarkley]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42765881

This is interesting and something I had no idea about given the ridiculously over the top praise Silva was getting early on in the season.

Before Everton approached Silva:

Played 11, Won 4, Drew 3, Lost 4*, GF 17, GA 21 = minus 4GD. Points 15 from 33

Sam Allardyce since taking over.

Played 11, Won 3, Drew 4, Lost 4*, GF 10, GA 13 = minus 3GD. Points 13 from 33.

*counting Liverpool Cup defeat as if it is a league game, and not counted the Limassol win as Allardyce didn't travel. One of Watford's defeats is a defeat at home to Bristol City in the Carabao Cup.

So Silva was meant to have been this great manager with free flowing entertaining football and only earned the equivalent of 15 points from 33 with a minus 4 goal difference. Allardyce is berated for being awful by large sections of the fanbase yet has only 2 points less, and actually comes away with a better goal difference from the same number of games.

Watford's 11 games included 4 against members of the current top/big 6 - Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal at home, and Chelsea away.
Everton's 11 games under Allardyce include 5 against members of the current top/big 6 - Liverpool away x 2, Spurs away, and Man United and Chelsea at home.

Watford finished about 17th last season we finished 7th 15 points clear of 8th.

It stands to reason that Silva's record isnt earth shattering with the players at his disposal. If he was smashing it with their squad he would be recruited by a CL club.

Those who dont want him expect a Tuchel/Ancelotti which isnt happening. The only manager we could realistically attract is Fonesca and who knows if Moshiri would even want him after he supposedly picked Fat Sam over him.

 

[witchdoc187]

How is he any good when he's been awful and sacked by Watford?

 

[Khalekan]

What has Silva done to make you think he is fantastic out of interest?

It seems to me that those in the anti-Allardyce camp are against him for 2 reasons - one is his integrity, and the other is his 'dour football'.

So using Marco Silva as a comparison, how can those who dismiss Allardyce for his questionable integrity justify the appointment of a man who approximately 10 games in to his new job, downed tools when he had an approach from a different club? Is that the type of manager these people want here? Whenever Lukaku mentioned he was using us as a stepping stone, our fans didn't like it, so what do they think Silva will do if he came and did well here and got a better job offer? He'd jump ship as he clearly has no loyalty.

The other issue people have about Allardyce is his style, which I appreciate to an extent. However, what has Silva got that makes him a justifiable appointment for this job? He took Hull down. He's now overseen a run of just 5 points in 30 available for Watford, with some heavy defeats this season - including 6 conceded at home to Man City, a 4-1 defeat at home to Huddersfield who have an awful away record, and a loss at home to bottom of the league Swansea. His Watford side had conceded the 2nd most in the league and he would have to come in to EFC and sort our defence out which is a major weakness in our team.

I don't think he has the qualities needed to manage this club.

You are like the boy in the fairy tale.....pointing out that the King has no clothes

I bet those Watford owners are kicking themselves tonight for not taking Moshiri’s dough

 

[mooseatingnome]

using the 'what has he won' measure, then no. Hasn't won anything of note. But then neither have any of our last manager appointments. Strikes me as another Martinez. Good looking football but no end result.

 

[Khalekan]

The Dutchman was far worse than Martinez

For sure.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The Dutchman was far worse than Martinez

Two crap manager's mate. Can't be arsed arguing over which one was worse tbh. Can't stand either of them.