Confirmed Signing Cenk Tosun

chrismpw · January 12, 2018

Timak said:
Data is far more accurate than watching a player once or twice.

However you also have to look at the type of team a player plays in to see if the data is relevant (how often he touches the ball, where he passes it, the types of goals he scores, how fast he is, where he moves). If we played exactly like Besiktas then his data would be more relevant. As we are complete opposites in style I worry that the data isn't.

Data alone is misleading.

Even dullard footballers have worked out that if they play repetitive boring sideways passes to one another in their own half, they get amazing "passes complete" stats.

Data alone gives us a world of Tom Cleverlys.

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chrismpw · January 12, 2018

JLW said:
A player should watched at least 5-6 times maybe more.

As many as seven perhaps?

JLW · January 12, 2018

chrismpw said:
As many as seven perhaps?

Whatever it takes to make sure the multi million pound decision is the correct one! If you go once or twice then potentially you could end up up with a Cuco Martina.
Every poor player can have a decent game or two

chrismpw · January 12, 2018

JLW said:
Whatever it takes to make sure the multi million pound decision is the correct one! If you go once or twice then potentially you could end up up with a Cuco Martina.
Every poor player can have a decent game or two

A summary of my entire footballing career!

Pabbers · January 12, 2018

chrismpw said:
Data alone is misleading.

Even dullard footballers have worked out that if they play repetitive boring sideways passes to one another in their own half, they get amazing "passes complete" stats.

Data alone gives us a world of Tom Cleverlys. .

Well no, you just change the type of data you collect.

You look at percentage of forward / backwards passing.

It works in EVERY industry on the planet, data and modelling.

JLW · January 12, 2018

Pabbers said:
Well no, you just change the type of data you collect.

You look at percentage of forward / backwards passing.

It works in EVERY industry on the planet, data and modelling.

Sod all that just get of your arse and go and watch the player your interested in for as many times as needed until your happy or not! I bet you loads of clubs across Europe think Henderson is a great player because of his ‘pass completion’ when in reality he’s a crab and a fraud

Pabbers · January 12, 2018

JLW said:
Sod all that just get of your arse and go and watch the player your interested in for as many times as needed until your happy or not! I bet you loads of clubs across Europe think Henderson is a great player because of his ‘pass completion’ when in reality he’s a crab and a fraud

How do you think data is collected on scouting?

Stats are collected on productivity, but data is collected in regards to scouting certain attribute, its then double ansd tripple checked by other people to validate those numbers.

chrismpw · January 12, 2018

Pabbers said:
Well no, you just change the type of data you collect.

You look at percentage of forward / backwards passing.

It works in EVERY industry on the planet, data and modelling.

Yes, data can be useful in skilled analytical hands, but most often it is used to bamboozle and sell to the uninitiated. Sadly its main use, outside of science, is in manipulation.

Look at VW emission data. Look at how exam boards, government, schools and Ofsted all mangle data to suit their own ends (my own experience).

Data is nothing without context and knowledge.

ijjysmith · January 12, 2018

This thread has taken a very weird turn.

chrismpw · January 12, 2018

JLW said:
Sod all that just get of your arse and go and watch the player your interested in for as many times as needed until your happy or not! I bet you loads of clubs across Europe think Henderson is a great player because of his ‘pass completion’ when in reality he’s a crab and a fraud

This!

Pabbers · January 12, 2018

chrismpw said:
Yes, data can be useful in skilled analytical hands, but most often it is used to bamboozle and sell to the uninitiated. Sadly its main use, outside of science, is in manipulation.

Look at VW emission data. Look at how exam boards, government, schools and Ofsted all mangle data to suit their own ends (my own experience).

Data is nothing without context and knowledge.

Exactly.

chrismpw · January 12, 2018

ijjysmith said:
This thread has taken a very weird turn.

*Scrolls up and reminds self of thread title

Oh yeah.

The joy and glory that is GOT.

RomanReigns · January 12, 2018

gonna put a cheeky bet on him to score the winning goal

emik · January 12, 2018

first training

guest97354 · January 13, 2018

"I know Sam Allardyce's philosophy really well. Worked with him about 1,5 years. Allardyce lets his striker feel alone on pitch and his system can't really provide for his team's striker. He plays long balls and expects you to collect them. Now Cenk has the ability to do that too but the main thing about him is his great finishing. If we imagine him working with one of the coaches from the top 5-6, we might see a completely different thing. A Cenk who scores 20-25 goals a season... Now i'm not saying these to criticize anybody. It's just that i have doubts about the coach's mentality. Other than that i've zero doubts about Cenk and i think he'll be very succesfull." Emre Belozoglu