General Meeting 09.01.2018

[davek]

It wasn't in the hall, at least it wasn't to anyone I was talking to.

To be honest, I wish the club would stream these things, or at least record them and put them up on the OS, because things get said by the press which aren't always 100% correct, and if they put what happened up on the web site, then those ( very few ) people who could actually be arsed watching it, rather than relying on second hand info, could make a much more informed decision on what was said.

Comms is still poor from the club, though I've just watched Mosh's video on the OS ... which is a step in the right direction, and something I'd like to see more of. The OS should be the first port of call for the directors and the largest shareholder to tell us what's happening and what they're thinking.

I'm not sure the medium is the problem. The problem as I see it is that confusion over the investment and the loose cannon performance of Moshiri are symptoms of a project that's run aground both on and off the pitch.

Some people on here are bridling at the use of the description "shambles", but I think that's appropriate from the info that's leaked out tonight. It's amateurish and childlike and a million miles away from looking like a respectable and functioning club. We are dealing with some very low calibre people in positions of power here at Everton.

 

[billyblue80]

I don't feel confident about anything related to our future while we have a useless set of people running things.

 

[Toast]

I don't feel confident about anything related to our future while we have a useless set of people running things.

I preferred complete silence having heard all this.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Ok mate was more coming from the angle of with Lukaku up front the team plays differently to when he doesn't (this season). We played further up the pitch and had more opposition players occupied on him.

You think if we play Calvert-Lewin every game last season we would finish 7th. No chance

Me thinks you're moving the goalposts to suit your anti-Chorley agenda !

Oh, and while I'm not sure if we had DCL playing last season that we'd have finished seventh, I'm pretty damned sure that if we'd have had any recognised, half-way decent and reasonably experienced striker playing rather than Rom, that we'd still have finished seventh.

Christ, we're ninth now without him and would presumably have been far better off if we'd had a recognised replacement in ?
Anyway, you've got me massively off-topic with your anti-Chorley hatred and general woolism, so I'm ( nearly ) going to leave it there.

Also didn't know he was from Chorley. What were we thinking?

Cream rises to the top.

 

[Neiler]

Bungling idiots with their record breaking set of accounts.

 

[davek]

I don’t think so mate nothing has changed they are guaranteeing two thirds of the cost, the other Everton are on the hook for independently is my anaylsis. Seems like the costs have escalated or our ambitions for the stadium have increased.

I don’t disagree Elstone is always pessimistic in these occasions, thankfully some significant ,milestones have been agreed. I would suggest they are in negotiations with lenders and he doesn’t want to come across to cocky to the rank and file to create bad spirit in the negotiations.

The ground is the game changer, the debt to me is irrelevant. The ground is a license to to grow the buisness and print money for the next 100 years, ertainly over a thirty year time frame.

Well I'd like that clarified...and it shouldn't have required clarification if they were at all credible people presenting a share holders meeting.

But if it is as you were on the funding model what's really progressed? There's "a hope" that the club can use the LCC facility to bag 2/3rds of funding...that's a reiteration of the previous position in effect because we all knew that naming rights would provide a massive chunk. We're no further forward on investment for this, I think that is abundantly clear now.

 

[davek]

Bungling idiots with their record breaking set of accounts.

Re-read the earlier part of the thread explaining where it comes from: tv deal rising from £83M to £135M. What has Moshiri and co done to be praised for that?

 

[Woolly Blue]

We are dealing with some very low calibre people in positions of power here at Everton.

That's probably a bit strong. Personally I'd say we have some mediocre people in positions of power at Everton. I'm no fan of Elstone for example, but I've come across far worse directors at that sort of level in my time.

Obviously when I say come across, I don't mean this in a sexual way

 

[Efcjake]

Hi lads, if you have a go at someone from Chorley, then, by inference, you're having a go at me.
So, here's some pesky facts for you :-

Lukaku 2016/17 season, 25 league goals :-



Date Goals Result Change in points without Rom's goals
12 Sept 3 goals Sunderland 0 Everton 3. 2
17 Sept 1 goal Everton 3 Boro 1 0
30 Sept 1 goal Everton 1 Palace 1 1
15 Oct 1 goal City 1 Everton 1 1
30 Oct 1 goal Everton 2 W Ham 0 0
10 Dec 2 goals Watford 3 Everton 2 0
26 Dec 1 goal Leicester 0 Everton 2 0
2 Jan 1 goal Everton 3 Soton 0 0
15 Jan 1 goal Everton 4 City 0 0
4 Feb 4 goals Everton 6 B'moth 3 3
25 Feb 1 goal Everton 2 S'land 0 0
5 Mar 1 goal Spurs 3 Everton 2 0
11 Mar 1 goal Everton 3 WBA 0 0
18 Mar 2 goals Everton 4 Hull 0 0
9 Apr 2 goals Everton 4 Leicester 2 2
15 Apr 1 goal Everton 3 Burnley 1 0
21 May 1 goal Arsenal 3 Everton 1 0

Now, plainly neither of you are very good at maths, so I'll do the adding up for you.
If, as Walsh says, you strip out Lukaku's goals, we would have ended up with nine less points than we did.

if you look at the table from last season you'll see that we finish seventh, on 61 points, and Soton finished eighth on 46 points.
Again, because you ain't too good at the maths, I'll help you out ... 61-46 is 15, and 15 is more than 9

So, if Rom hadn't scored any goals last season, we'd still have finished seventh

Here's one final score for you

Chorley boys 1 Internet lads who can't do maths 0

At this point, some people would say that Walsh isn't the idiot, but the lads on the internet are. Not me though, I'm far too polite to say such a thing.

I wasn't questioning the statistic but the logic behind it. All respect to people from Chorley but we're seeing the results of a Lukaku-less Everton right now and 7th place it shall not get.

This is what your arl mate from Chorley, our Director of Football says

If you take all of Lukaku’s goals last season we’d have been 8 points worse off but in the same position. Football is not about one person, it’s a collective responsibility.

That is an internet argument that I never thought to see even considered by a professional in the sport. People throwing it around on here in the summer were rightly laughed off because it's nonsense and yet that's what our DoF is coming out with to deflect away from his catastrophic failure to secure a suitable replacement striker in the last window.

 

[Khalekan]

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The thing with this "voodoo" comment, if Lukaku LITERALLY did claim to have got a voodoo message from his mother, then what Moshiri said is totally justifiable and I have no problem with him saying that at all, and as those beliefs are prevalent in many parts of Africa then I'm thinking its probably true. BUT, if Moshiri just randomly came out with that comment, then yeah, he could be facing some serious questions!

Indeed.

If it was true then Moshiri had every right to bring it up.

In fact, explaining how the expected new contract fell through us the least we as fans are entitled to, given the damage night having a proper striker has done to our season.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting though lol

 

[Neiler]

Well I'd like that clarified...and it shouldn't have required clarification if they were at all credible people presenting a share holders meeting.

But if it is as you were on the funding model what's really progressed? There's "a hope" that the club can use the LCC facility to bag 2/3rds of funding...that's a reiteration of the previous position in effect because we all knew that naming rights would provide a massive chunk. We're no further forward on investment for this, I think that is abundantly clear now.

I think they pretty much said as much mate only a different spin on promoting the LCC 66% of the funding as opposed to Everton needing to cover the rest as if we haven’t finalised that finance yet it has to be ifs and I hopes, especially if you are negotiating. If as you say it’s naming rights etc, we are not going to be announcing it four years before it’s built.

Your looking for the name of the lender etc? I think it’s pretty clear it’s the Chinese Bank. But yeah they didn’t confirm this. I’m not sure that’s praticularly problematic at this point. I am sure there is protocol and politics in all this I.e. is it a bit presumptuous to have named your lender before planning approved etc.

 

[Khalekan]

Is the “our own fab four” comment also legit?!

Jesus Christ, Moshiri is not only a fraud but also completely crazy. Not in the funny way.

Walsh and Allardyce also pathetic.

Who did he nominate as our "fab four" ?

 

[mites]

yeah it seems like a kinda messed up thing to bring up regardless. either you're mocking lukaku's mom for her sincerely held beliefs (and lukaku is compeltely effusive in his praise and love for his mom) or you're making something up and being racist.

it's not a good look either way. all kinds of ppl ask for spiritual guidance all the time.

 

[Woolly Blue]

I wasn't questioning the statistic but the logic behind it

One word, and that word is "Bollocks".
You were questioning the stat, stop trying to wriggle out of it, you've been schooled lad, take your lesson and learn from it.

... and yet that's what our DoF is coming out with to deflect away from his catastrophic failure to secure a suitable replacement striker in the last window.

But that bit I'd agree with.

 

[PhilEFC]

Tha funding thing with the council needs clarifying as soon as possible.

Geoff from West Derby will apoplectic tomorrow on Roger Philips.

I think it's still them acting as a guarantor though still, just Suntan Bob and Mayor Quimby not putting it across very well.