Ronald Koeman discussion

Flynnthistle · October 18, 2017

Timak said:
None of us know that. Which makes accountability hard.

What I would say is that he is still fielding combinations of players that don't and won't work together.

He needs to find a way to win football matches with the players he has. If he can't do that get someone in who can. Moyes got us 5th and a cup final with no fit strikers for almost an entire season.

Moshiri himself said on deadline day that they brought in the players the manager wanted and the team was 90% his now

neil999 · October 18, 2017

ToffeeTim said:
It's simply prolonging the inevitable

The Everton Way.

We have to wait till all possible hope has evaporated

Zatara · October 18, 2017

Flynnthistle said:
Moshiri himself said on deadline day that they brought in the players the manager wanted and the team was 90% his now

There is no way Steve Walsh has autonomy on transfers when Stekelenburg, Klaassen, Cuco and Schneiderlin are signed who played for Koeman before or in the case of Klaassen came from his former club.

Its clear as day that Moshiri was dead on in his comments and Koeman knew the budgets and was made aware of transfer progress on Giroud amongst others.

ToffeeTim · October 18, 2017

neil999 said:
We have to wait till all possible hope has evaporated

Yep. Exactly.

When's the FA cup third round day. Early January?

He'll be sacked the day after that. NSNO.

LouReedwalkonthewildside · October 18, 2017

COYBL25 said:
So by that rationale, Koeman appears to have lost the dressing room too.

@Joey66 any word on this from your brother aka " Deep Throat at FF " ?.

Don't think he's lost the dressing room mate (must be something not right going on behind the scenes though) it's just more a case of Koeman being a total shithouse, whereas Martinez had deffo lost the dressing room.

CahillsCornerFlag · October 18, 2017

He’s crap, Martinez was crap, im bored of us being crap.

Zatara · October 18, 2017

LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
Don't think he's lost the dressing room mate (must be something not right going on behind the scenes though) it's just more a case of Koeman being a total shithouse, whereas Martinez had deffo lost the dressing room.

If that is correct then I wonder what the players are seeing that we aren't.

I'd down tools much faster if I saw there was no logic to the strategy as opposed to disliking the manager...

Neither is ideal but you could see what Martinez was trying to achieve, with Koeman its a mystery.

Surely the players see that...

LouReedwalkonthewildside · October 18, 2017

Zatara said:
If that is correct then I wonder what the players are seeing that we aren't.

I'd down tools much faster if I saw there was no logic to the strategy as opposed to disliking the manager...

Neither is ideal but you could see what Martinez was trying to achieve, with Koeman its a mystery.

Surely the players see that...

It's almost like he wants the sack......

lancs blue · October 18, 2017

It's only a matter of time. Koeman is holding on by his finger nails. If I was moshers id be demanding who agreed the lukaku sale without a suitable replacement in first. Unless of course moshers needed the cash for his leccy meter. Who knows. People's club my hearse

ianefc · October 18, 2017

CahillsCornerFlag said:
He’s crap, Martinez was crap, im bored of us being crap.

I never expected Koeman to be this crap. Losing with sign of promise is one thing, maybe even getting better over the weeks, but we've gotten worse and seemingly have not one character in the team. No sort of reaction.

LEONARD · October 18, 2017

He can't change, and it will be the same old dross tomorrow night.

This nightmare just refuses to end.

BernieWright13 · October 18, 2017

Can't we change the image of Ronker on this thread? Its particularly annoying rocking up here every 30 minutes or so to check whether he's been sacked and seeing him staring back so self assured like that.

How about one of these instead? Unless anyone else has a more suitable one?

Osamabindiesel · October 18, 2017

Zatara said:
Well, for me when in life (work or sports) and you see young people working hard and proving they are good enough then you naturally want them to succeed and try and give them more opportunities to grow and develop.

I was fast tracked when I was younger and benefitted enormously. I think it must be soul destroying for Kenny (seeing Cuco play and Holgate preferred so hes not even on the bench), Holgate (doing fine at CB compared to Williams), Lookman (when everyone sees we need width and centre mids or strikers play ahead of him), Sandro (whose style doesn't suit our 'system') Davies (Seeing out of form players ahead of him) and even DCL (happy to be playing but not playing consistently up front).

The senior players must look at Cuco for example and scratch their heads...Unsworth must be going mad.

I cant help admire Steve Walsh and Unsworths young signings and feel that its no coincidence Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Stekelenburg and Cuco all came from Koemans former clubs...its no coincidence and I find it incredible that of all the players in world football who we could have signed we ended up with those three.

It tells me Koeman is the major factor in signings and Walsh 'assists' him but has some leeway for young players to be signed.

When it's all said and done, I think the players stick up for each other. It isn't just Davies. It's the likes of Ross, Mirallas and Niasse as well. I can't help but feel like some have a little resentment towards Koeman for the way he has treated them. Kev has issues that he needs to resolve in terms of attitude, but he would bleed for the club and is a popular figure in the locker room.