Ronald Koeman discussion

[Timak]

I remember the interview with Koeman when he said he wanted exactly that! And he got none of them. I'm almost certain he's not the one in charge of the transfers, which is why I don't think he should be the one held accountable for the issues caused by the transfer policy in the Summer.

None of us know that. Which makes accountability hard.

What I would say is that he is still fielding combinations of players that don't and won't work together.

He needs to find a way to win football matches with the players he has. If he can't do that get someone in who can. Moyes got us 5th and a cup final with no fit strikers for almost an entire season.

 

[MickA]

Atalanta should have been the final straw. Burnley certainly should have been. Bournemouth......

Atalanta was the one for me too. Up to then I thought we could turn it around and it was maybe a case of players bedding in. But the manner of that collapse set alarm bells ringing and we've seen zero fight shows since (save for 20 mins against Burnley until another collapse).

Atalanta was the same as Martinez's Anfield moment for me, the point of no return. We're treading water right now waiting for the inevitable.

 

[MickA]

None of us know that. Which makes accountability hard.

What I would say is that he is still fielding combinations of players that don't and won't work together.

He needs to find a way to win football matches with the players he has. If he can't do that get someone in who can. Moyes got us 5th and a cup final with no fit strikers for almost an entire season.

That's what it comes down to for me. For £6m pa we should have a manager finding solutions not throwing strops, there's enough talent in the squad to be performing much better, he needs someone to be telling him that forcibly.

 

[Lanolin]

I know, it is fine lines and all that. I am just not one for pulling the trigger too quickly perhaps. if we had done that with Kendall we would not have gone onto success in the following years perhaps.

We live in a very disposable society now though and things are very different.

Perhaps is the big word here isn't it. You are of course quite right that we might have sacked Kendall, appointed some no mark who we thought would be the next big thing, got relegated and never come back. On the other hand, we may have sacked Kendall, coaxed Alex Ferguson from Aberdeen and become the most successful in the world over the next 20 years. We'll never know.

It is a different world now, and not because of 'society'. The days of being able to build a dynasty from the bottom have gone, it's just not possible anymore because the players won't stay around while you do it. Rooney was supposed to be the one who catapulted us forward but he left as soon as he could, then we looked on the verge of something under Moyes but Lescott jumped ship, then Pienaar, Arteta and then Fellaini. We never got to where we were aiming. Fast forward 10 years and the same happens again, one minute we're 5th with Barkley, Lukaku, Stones and Deulofeu looking like they're the future, the next minute they've all buggered off and we're back at square one. Progress has to be quicker now, treading water for 3 years means your best players aren't there anymore - do we take the chance that our best hopes for the future end up playing their football elsewhere because they got bored of waiting for us to do something, or do we roll the dice and try to be ambitious?

 

[orly]

What is really concerning is that you couldn't pass it off as an injury crisis. All of our better players (Pickford, Keane, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Baines) are available - the only one who isn't is Coleman. So Cowhead has the options, he just isn't using them very well. Worrying.

 

[neil999]

What is really concerning is that you couldn't pass it off as an injury crisis. All of our better players (Pickford, Keane, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Baines) are available - the only one who isn't is Coleman. So Cowhead has the options, he just isn't using them very well. Worrying.

he didnt get the striker he wants, so he is having a sulk and not even trying

why we havent sacked him i dont know...

 

[orly]

he didnt get the striker he wants, so he is having a sulk and not even trying

why we havent sacked him i dont know...

Agree with that too Neil.

 

[bicycleheader]

It's like Everton hates me. Koeman and Rooney and exiting two out of the three cups within the first two months of the season. A nightmare scenario.

Gimme something to cheer ya bastids.

 

[Little Ralphy]

None of us know that. Which makes accountability hard.

What I would say is that he is still fielding combinations of players that don't and won't work together.

He needs to find a way to win football matches with the players he has. If he can't do that get someone in who can. Moyes got us 5th and a cup final with no fit strikers for almost an entire season.

I agree he needs to find a solution, and that's his job. I think as soon as he drops Rooney and puts DCL as the main striker, the side will start to look more balanced.

In fairness Moyes had Fellaini whose attributes are almost like the perfect target man, so we did have a striker, it wasn't like we had Steve Watson upfront.

 

[Kev50]

I've got a horrible feeling we will still be talking about this Koeman era in 20 years time (similar to Leeds with O Leary) as the moment when disaster struck. He has managed in player transfers alone to waste (not spend, waste) c £75m. Given that we now know Moshiri will not be a putting a bean in, for aeverton to do that is absolutely disastrous.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

I agree he needs to find a solution, and that's his job. I think as soon as he drops Rooney and puts DCL as the main striker, the side will start to look more balanced.

In fairness Moyes had Fellaini whose attributes are almost like the perfect target man, so we did have a striker, it wasn't like we had Steve Watson upfront.

Lol, you mean the good old days?

 

[Lanolin]

I agree he needs to find a solution, and that's his job. I think as soon as he drops Rooney and puts DCL as the main striker, the side will start to look more balanced.

In fairness Moyes had Fellaini whose attributes are almost like the perfect target man, so we did have a striker, it wasn't like we had Steve Watson upfront.

But we have DCL, Rooney, Niasse and Sandro who are actual strikers. Don't let the fact that they're not good enough blind you to the fact they exist. We are not playing without a striker, and even if we'd gone out and paid £50m for someone to play that role, we could be in the exact same predicament had they got injured or done the same as virtually all our other signings this summer and played like they'd never even seen a football before.

The striker thing is being used as a smokescreen/comfort blanket, just like we used to hear under Martinez how once we got McCarthy fit/dropped Howard/brought in a defender on the coaching staff/insert other ridiculous excuse here, everything would be great. Didn't work like that though did it? There are fundamental flaws in our approach this season that wouldn't be miraculously fixed if we stuck Raul Jiminez up front instead of DCL like he wanted to. That wouldn't make Ashley Williams be able to move his feet, or make our central midfield more creative, or offer cover and support to the full back on the left hand side, or improve Martina's memory so that he could recall which position he's supposed to be taking up on the pitch.

There are many issues for Koeman to sort out, and on sunday he looked no closer to finding an answer than he did when I watched them in pre-season 3 months and 18 games ago.

 

[matty1878]

Why do people keep saying the squads good enough enough for what? Obviously you mean not the bottom 3? We CANT score goals we haven't got a good striker to rely on its finally hitting home now

 

[Steve Wigan]

What is really concerning is that you couldn't pass it off as an injury crisis. All of our better players (Pickford, Keane, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Baines) are available - the only one who isn't is Coleman. So Cowhead has the options, he just isn't using them very well. Worrying.

I think you are missing the fact that Bolassie, who was RKs purchase to inject pace and be his 'out ball', was badly injured ...a major disaster for RK,probably more than some realise. RK did not trust any of our other wingers in the same way as his purchase. THe nearest he has got is the young guy from Split. I think RK always wanted to be solid middle and back, with speedy counters up top, but hasn't yet got the right personell.

 

[neil999]

I think you are missing the fact that Bolassie, who was RKs purchase to inject pace and be his 'out ball', was badly injured ...a major disaster for RK,probably more than some realise. RK did not trust any of our other wingers in the same way as his purchase. THe nearest he has got is the young guy from Split. I think RK always wanted to be solid middle and back, with speedy counters up top, but hasn't yet got the right personell.

buy a winger instead of klassen then, easy