Ronald Koeman discussion

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orly said:
He's had three windows to get them Steve, two after Bolasie got injured, and over £140m spent in that time, so it's a nonsense point.
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No..its a fair point....but what has been done to fill the Bolassie gap is the nonsense. Watch any game in the Prem apart from an Everton game and the first thing you notice is the PACE. The difference between first season Martinez and subsequent Martinez seasons was that we played with some pace. Brown shoes then thought that 'concentrate a bit on defence' meant 'get the ball and very slowly knock it to each other in our own half'.
RK has mostly players who do everything at a snails pace, whether because physically they can't move quicker, or they take to long to decide what to do.
I'm sure RK knows as well as supporters what the problems are, but his natural but misplaced faith in his own thinking(admirable quality if you get it RIGHT) is not solving the problem, and will probably be his downfall.
Managers have been sacked for less(Craig Shakespeare says Hi!)
 
dannyboy said:
We've lost genuine quality in Lukaku and Barkley and replaced with players who are nowhere near as good. Sigurdsson has been the huge disappointment for me, for the money we paid and considering he had been in the Premier League for so many years he really needed to hit the ground running.

The rest in Rooney, Klaassen and Sandro have been such a downgrade on what we had already. Even Keane looks like he's struggling to adapt to life at a bigger club, which I guess is understandable but you can't bring in so many new players and have them all find it difficult to make the transition.
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Even if we had signed better quality players, it seems to me that theres no heart or desire in this team.
 
Zatara said:
Even if we had signed better quality players, it seems to me that theres no heart or desire in this team.
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I can't imagine the players take to kindly to the way Davies has been handled. He proved that he can compete at this level. Instead of giving him a chance to prove himself, he brought in three players who essentially take up his position. We could have used that money to find some genuine talent on the wing or rejuvenate the defense. Imagine that; the catalyst of our turnaround last season has been benched for three slugs.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
All feels a bit Walter Smith at the minute.
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I actually think this is worse than Smith, certainly worse than Martinez.
That is not to excuse either of them but the total lack of interest from Koeman combined with the systematic break up of the young, exciting players we had in the squad. His bizarre use of the U23's and shoehorning in of paceless midfielders and ultimately HORRENDOUS cup results (this is the killer for me. We have failed to beat Leicester reserves, lower league cloggers Norwich and some Cypriot part timers at Goodison. Disgusting).

He has fallen into Kendall-98 / Mike Walker level of bad and that is after spending a fortune in the Summer.

He doesn't even look bothered, speaking about the club as if he is outside looking in through the window.

GET HIM BINNED!
 

dannyboy said:
We've lost genuine quality in Lukaku and Barkley and replaced with players who are nowhere near as good. Sigurdsson has been the huge disappointment for me, for the money we paid and considering he had been in the Premier League for so many years he really needed to hit the ground running.

The rest in Rooney, Klaassen and Sandro have been such a downgrade on what we had already. Even Keane looks like he's struggling to adapt to life at a bigger club, which I guess is understandable but you can't bring in so many new players and have them all find it difficult to make the transition.
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I would point to Northern Ireland, and indeed any other 'team' who are performing above the sum of it's parts.
It takes real motivation and man management skills to get individuals to achieve beyond their levels.

On the flipside there are managers who just expect it to work, blame others, are overly critical, and eventually alienate individuals and eventually the entire workforce. Even if they have the correct tools to work with.

It is entirely possible that Everton have hired 2 poor managers on the spin. One who used verbal motivation and attachment too extremely and the other who uses it to put players down and shows no attachment to his employers.

Both extremes are poor examples of management skills. It takes blood, sweat and tears to gain respect, work ethic and the belief from your work force be that in any business. There are times to heap praise and times to be critical but never allow the team to lose focus.

We might not have world beaters at the club but we should have enough here to be soundly beating the likes of Limassol, Burnley and Brighton...
although no away win since the opening weekend of this calendar year should put the last one in doubt!
 
Koeman still has a bit to go before rivalling his predecessor in the fraud department.

Old Antonio Mowbray, eh? The great purist who never signed any finesse players.
 
LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
That Atalanta game was as bad as any game served up under Martinez. Also, by the time of that Sunderland game Martinez had already well and truly lost the dressing room, and the players had already stopped playing for him.
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So by that rationale, Koeman appears to have lost the dressing room too.

@Joey66 any word on this from your brother aka " Deep Throat at FF " ?.
 
Osamabindiesel said:
I can't imagine the players take to kindly to the way Davies has been handled. He proved that he can compete at this level. Instead of giving him a chance to prove himself, he brought in three players who essentially take up his position. We could have used that money to find some genuine talent on the wing or rejuvenate the defense. Imagine that; the catalyst of our turnaround last season has been benched for three slugs.
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Well, for me when in life (work or sports) and you see young people working hard and proving they are good enough then you naturally want them to succeed and try and give them more opportunities to grow and develop.

I was fast tracked when I was younger and benefitted enormously. I think it must be soul destroying for Kenny (seeing Cuco play and Holgate preferred so hes not even on the bench), Holgate (doing fine at CB compared to Williams), Lookman (when everyone sees we need width and centre mids or strikers play ahead of him), Sandro (whose style doesn't suit our 'system') Davies (Seeing out of form players ahead of him) and even DCL (happy to be playing but not playing consistently up front).

The senior players must look at Cuco for example and scratch their heads...Unsworth must be going mad.

I cant help admire Steve Walsh and Unsworths young signings and feel that its no coincidence Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Stekelenburg and Cuco all came from Koemans former clubs...its no coincidence and I find it incredible that of all the players in world football who we could have signed we ended up with those three.

It tells me Koeman is the major factor in signings and Walsh 'assists' him but has some leeway for young players to be signed.
 

Zatara said:
Well, for me when in life (work or sports) and you see young people working hard and proving they are good enough then you naturally want them to succeed and try and give them more opportunities to grow and develop.

I was fast tracked when I was younger and benefitted enormously. I think it must be soul destroying for Kenny (seeing Cuco play and Holgate preferred so hes not even on the bench), Holgate (doing fine at CB compared to Williams), Lookman (when everyone sees we need width and centre mids or strikers play ahead of him), Sandro (whose style doesn't suit our 'system') Davies (Seeing out of form players ahead of him) and even DCL (happy to be playing but not playing consistently up front).

The senior players must look at Cuco for example and scratch their heads...Unsworth must be going mad.

I cant help admire Steve Walsh and Unsworths young signings and feel that its no coincidence Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Stekelenburg and Cuco all came from Koemans former clubs...its no coincidence and I find it incredible that of all the players in world football who we could have signed we ended up with those three.

It tells me Koeman is the major factor in signings and Walsh 'assists' him but has some leeway for young players to be signed.
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I agree totally with your sentiments, but you do need work on your adding up thingy .
 
All this comparing, let’s just get back on track this season we have been dreadful, we never look like scoring we look devoid of ideas, the players look shot, his man management has got to be questioned, he keeps playing the same layers in the same positions even though it doesn’t work.

the guy is taking us down unless drastic action is taken.
 

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