Ronald Koeman discussion

Papa Shango · October 16, 2017

Kev50 said:
I think you are too harsh. it wasn't one weekend it was over a decade of top six finishes. He was outstanding with us. Sunderland was a hospital pass. I'm not saying it's ideal. it's just the best option we have. We are in a bad bad way. for the first time in 15 years, our defence is the worst in the league. We have no striker, and five no tens. We need someone to come in and do a firefighting operation, and he fits the bill. not long term,just to steady the ship for the next 18 months with Unsworth as first team coach

Its 2017! He is finished.

I would never ever want him in a relegation fight because he is a loser. Every big game he loses and a relegation fight involves every game being big.

Neiler · October 16, 2017

BernieH said:
Yes,sorry of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm sure you can show me the stats for our excellent manager from his career then?

I'm fairly sure in his one and a 1/4 seasons here he's had not much influence on our youngsters, you rather embellished that fact, I'm sure Unsy and Sheeds would have something to say about that.

He's a very good tactician is he, that would explain why he can't seem to find the right formation thus far and why he needs in almost every game to change the tactics half way through because he made a mess of it in the first place.

I'm beginning to think you're actually not being serious, not been on the board long enough to know.

Thankyou for the welcome.

Good points mate, I just don't agree with any of them.

blue62 · October 16, 2017

I thought the starkest point (among many criticisms) made last night by Keown and Kilbane on MOTD was that nothing had changed during the international break and I can't disagree with that having listened to the game with my socks in my ears, then suffered the highlights on telly.

I think the game is up after yesterday, something is very wrong and much of it may not be RK's fault (who knows?) but the buck stops with the manager. Whoever's fault it is that we didn't sign a striker it shouldn't mask the fact that he doesn't know how to put the the players he has bought into a cohesive and effective unit, we look disjointed and it's no coincidence that most players are suffering a collective dip in form. No confidence in the manager or his game plan, OUT.

I want Rafael if we can get him.

Abraders · October 16, 2017

kenada_blue said:
They let him manage the semi final which IMO was the right thing.

Agreed

kenada_blue · October 16, 2017

Furey1878 said:
I understood the reasoning, Martinez got us to that Semi, so give him the chance to see if he can go all the way.

That would have been fine by me but for the derby a few days before, to lose in the manner we did in an important game, granted not as important as the semi, was evidence to most of us that the semi was lost if he was in the dugout at Wembley.

Koeman hasn't passed that point of no return yet.

I get you, but Moyes did the same (Gerrard hattrick for the sake of beating Sunderland).

We'd not conceded a goal in the fa cup run in and played a beatable United side.

If Rom had slotted that peno and we'd got the final, won it, all league games would've been forgotten about

Furey1878 · October 16, 2017

@Neiler fighting the good fight here, good to see

It's just not time yet lads!!!

Neiler · October 16, 2017

mkrudden said:
Our wide play, being our full backs interacting with the wide players, is completely non-existent because he keeps chopping the team up every two minutes.

We have no energy in the midfield when on the ball because he persists in playing Morgan Schneiderlin.

He's constantly changed the back four so there is no consistency or partnerships developing. The only consistent before Sunday was Ashley Williams who's been cack.

I don't believe in having two wingers. I think it's far two predictable. I can't understand however why we are playing no wingers at all though. It seems obvious, albeit to me as one who is far from someone with football pedigree, that it should be Sigurdsson wide left who can come in and create with Lennon or someone else with some pace on the other. Variation and unpredictability is essential.
Throw in a top striker who will make runs and stretch the play and you have all of our immediate issues.
Throw a striker in with the same mess and you'd have a bit of difference but it wouldn't be all sunshine and rainbows.

Some good points mate, I tend to agree that would be my favourable blend, certainly we have players in the squad who can provide pace and I'm a huge Sigurrdsson fan, I think Bolaise will have a positive impact and Coleman will bring us a different dimension. I still think it's glass ceiling stuff without a striker, but we have to give ourself a chance until January.

I tend disagree broadly I'd say a striker is about 80% of our problems, I don't think we are a bad team just a massively imbalanced one without a cutting edge and it's drained the confidence from the team!

Furey1878 · October 16, 2017

kenada_blue said:
I get you, but Moyes did the same (Gerrard hattrick for the sake of beating Sunderland).

We'd not conceded a goal in the fa cup run in and played a beatable United side.

If Rom had slotted that peno and we'd got the final, won it, all league games would've been forgotten about

The difference is we didn't look completely out of sorts prior to that derby, it just seemed like one bad result when we'd otherwise started to be on the up. We looked a shambles going into the derby before the United semi, and the result was the straw that broke the camel's back.

efcforever · October 16, 2017

d4kyxx said:
A draw for Koeman is great but not for us. He can survive on it and keep his Barca hopes alive. He won’t take risks

For me that isn’t the manager we need at everton

Absolutely! He's got his excuses lined up for this utter shambles.

Kev50 · October 16, 2017

Papa Shango said:
Its 2017! He is finished.

I would never ever want him in a relegation fight because he is a loser. Every big game he loses and a relegation fight involves every game being big.

well he's a loser who got us to over a decade of top six finishes less than five years ago

jazzy · October 16, 2017

Neiler said:
Some good points mate, I tend to agree that would be my favourable blend, certainly we have players in the squad who can provide pace and I'm a huge Sigurrdsson fan, I think Bolaise will have a positive impact and Coleman will bring us a different dimension. I still think it's glass ceiling stuff without a striker, but we have to give ourself a chance until January.

I tend disagree broadly I'd say a striker is about 80% of our problems, I don't think we are a bad team just a massively imbalanced one without a cutting edge and it's drained the confidence from the team!

Cant agree with you mate.

Even if he had got Giroud we would still be pedestrian , lack width , move the ball too slowly and unable to defend.

BernieH · October 16, 2017

Neiler said:
Good points mate, I just don't agree with any of them.

May I ask why? I'm not necessarily in the right but I'd like to hear your counter comments if you would. It's interesting to get the opposite point of view in situations like this, as normally people look at it in black or white. I'm sure there may be middle ground which might give us a more telling perspective.

I still think he has the look of a beaten man, at least he could show a look like he is fighting for his job. I am not comfortable with him seemingly thinking he is untouchable or even worse just not even bothered.

Azza · October 16, 2017

Has this lunacy been posted yet?

Only just seen it.

He must go back to Amsterdam a lot to get all these drugs if he really thinks this!!

But Koeman believes that, as the player develops, he might be able to become more versatile.

He said: “I think Nikola had a big impact when I put him in midfield.

“He was strong on the ball, he was fast, he was winning balls, he was dribbling, and that was the reason I put him in midfield; to get a little more offensive football from the midfield.

“OK, maybe that is something for the future.”

Zatara · October 16, 2017

BernieH said:
The thing is though Zatara, Gana only needs to tackle if he's got someone alongside him to be the playmaker or box to box midfielder, all that playing Schneiderlin alongside does is nullify both of them and makes them less effective. I've been quite hard on Schneiderlin recently but I believe the formation suits neither himself or Gana and both are suffering.

Play one or the other alongside someone who can either pass a ball or carry a ball and it would be much more balance. Only my ha'penny worth, I'm no coach, I have watched a lot of years worth of football to deduce some things though.

On another note, disappointed not to have heard of his resignation this morning.

Well, you look at Kante (as an example) and he can pass too...Gana (albeit recently) seems to make such bizarre passes into no mans land.

I like Gana for his energy and Schneiderlin was decent 'sitting' last season but I'm beginning to wonder if they aren't both 'mid-table' quality.

I'm wondering if we shouldn't go for a Vieira/Keane type box to box powerhouse who could take it in turns with Davies to go forward...maybe do away with the defensive midfielder and have 2 box to box types.

I used to be a massive fan of William Carvalho but I think he may be a bit slow to play in our league, Dendoncker has played in a few roles for Anderlecht but primarily a defensive midfielder with a bit of nous.

But perhaps its time we went for box to box players in the centre...