Ronald Koeman discussion

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Joey66 said:
TBF RK has a hard job if we win it will be it's only Brighton, if we draw or lose in a bad style it's another set back for him and our club - as a fan we all want a win to stop the rot, and get our elusive away win!
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He just needs to a)not play 2 cdms against a team like brighton , b) not play 2 or 3 number 10s.
 

Eggsyblueskin said:
It is black and white ,surely. You want your team to win regardless of who is the manager, chairman, owner or the sodding tea lady . If your not prepared to support your team through bad times as well as mediocre (let's face it we don't do 'good' anymore), what's the point. I want us to win every game from this point regardless of anything else.
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So if we were bottom of the league for arguments sake and the club was still clinging into the manager turning it around still because he is a half decent manager then you would still want the win even though the manager is the reason for being bottom in the first place? Knowing a win would keep him in his job and a defeat would see him sacked.

This is a general question, not koeman. related. But It's black and white still knowing the man taking the ckub down could buy another month of poor results before the risk appears again? You would still want that win completely and there isn't a chance not wanting that win in a extreme scenario like that would be acceptable for the fans?

Plus you have to take into account, the people running the club find getting beat by some teams as acceptable losses so as a fan of that club, is it not ok to buy into that club philosophy, not caring about losing to teams because they are better than us basically? That is the mind set currently, yet that attitude is devoid of any passion or caring by itself
 
Kenshin said:
So if we were bottom of the league for arguments sake and the club was still clinging into the manager turning it around still because he is a half decent manager then you would still want the win even though the manager is the reason for being bottom in the first place? Knowing a win would keep him in his job and a defeat would see him sacked.

This is a general question, not koeman. related. But It's black and white still knowing the man taking the ckub down could buy another month of poor results before the risk appears again? You would still want that win completely and there isn't a chance not wanting that win in a extreme scenario like that would be acceptable for the fans?

Plus you have to take into account, the people running the club find getting beat by some teams as acceptable losses so as a fan of that club, is it not ok to buy into that club philosophy, not caring about losing to teams because they are better than us basically? That is the mind set currently, yet that attitude is devoid of any passion or caring by itself
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For me personally I always want Everton to win.
Let me throw a hypothetical possibility back at you. Supposing we lose tomorrow and subsequently appoint a new manager, end of the season comes and we are relegated by 3 points.
 

Kenshin said:
So if we were bottom of the league for arguments sake and the club was still clinging into the manager turning it around still because he is a half decent manager then you would still want the win even though the manager is the reason for being bottom in the first place? Knowing a win would keep him in his job and a defeat would see him sacked.

This is a general question, not koeman. related. But It's black and white still knowing the man taking the ckub down could buy another month of poor results before the risk appears again? You would still want that win completely and there isn't a chance not wanting that win in a extreme scenario like that would be acceptable for the fans?

Plus you have to take into account, the people running the club find getting beat by some teams as acceptable losses so as a fan of that club, is it not ok to buy into that club philosophy, not caring about losing to teams because they are better than us basically? That is the mind set currently, yet that attitude is devoid of any passion or caring by itself
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The issue here is no decision (you would hope) to replace a manager is ever taken on the basis of one result. The result against Brighton should not be the only deciding factor in whether Koeman stays or not. In recent years van Gaal got sacked after winning the FA Cup, and Rodgers lost his job after a 1-1 derby draw at Goodison. Neither of these things are bad results, but clearly overall the owners and board members of these clubs had not been happy for a prolonged period of time and had been waiting to pull the trigger. Most probably after finally securing a better replacement- perhaps that option isn't open to us right now?

It's unlikely a win would see Koeman lose his job, but for arguments sake let's say we win 1-0 with a deflected OG in the 90th minute following another dire performance- he should still be under a serious amount of pressure and if he's in line for the chop it shouldn't save him. If we were bottom of the league as you depict in your scenario then we as fans should be desperate for any and all wins, and simultaneously it's the board who should be being questioned, not the manager, as to why they think this is acceptable.

What is worrying on that front is what you refer to yourself and that is our owner and board's apparent mindset that some losses are "expected" and that's just how it is for "little old Everton". That mentality is a cancerous tumour that needs to be cut out from the club at all levels.
 

Eggsyblueskin said:
For me personally I always want Everton to win.
Let me throw a hypothetical possibility back at you. Supposing we lose tomorrow and subsequently appoint a new manager, end of the season comes and we are relegated by 3 points.
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This is the point I have been making all week.

Whether you like Koeman or loathe him, we very badly need a win on Sunday.....otherwise I suspect we are going to be cemented in the bottom three come November and the next international break.

Don’t worry about Koeman.

He won’t be here much longer anyway.....end of the season at the latest no matter how the rest of this one pans out.

It is Everton which is important.
 
Khalekan said:
This is the point I have been making all week.

Whether you like Koeman or loathe him, we very badly need a win on Sunday.....otherwise I suspect we are going to be cemented in the bottom three come November and the next international break.

Don’t worry about Koeman.

He won’t be here much longer anyway.....end of the season at the latest no matter how the rest of this one pans out.

It is Everton which is important.
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WTF?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

How is there another bloody one in November?!?!!? I'm livid here. Been having a good Friday (unlike Jesus hahahaha) until you wrote that. THANKS KHAL AND FIFA.
 

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