Ronald Koeman discussion

[GwladysBlue]

Along with Koeman, I want the likes of Baines and Jagielka to go, too. They've stayed so far past their peak that it is sad to watch.

 

[jaycee]

..more hope than expect. I thought there were a few signs in the home game against Split but those have been extinguished since. I think of RK at Southampton where each season they would go through a really bad spell followed by a really good spell but his body language suggests he’s currently at a loss.

I still think we’ve got decent players but he doesn’t seem to have a team strategy or formation to accommodate them. The signs are not good but I live in hope more than expectation.

Thats the bit I dont like Eggs,the fact that he had a bad run last season,he had a bad run of 10/15 games at Southampton as well,so he has shown he can turn things around,but if a club have ambition they cant afford runs like that each season
The other part of his management I dont understand is that last season he paid an inflated price for Bolasie saying he was the teams outlet,to get us up the park quickly,the player then gets a bad injury that keeps him out for almost a season but isnt replaced with any like player

 

[Ste__R]

Along with Koeman, I want the likes of Baines and Jagielka to go, too. They've stayed so far past their peak that it is sad to watch.

Can’t argue with that. Even the body language of both shows they know they are finished.

 

[Khalekan]

after kendall brought in the magnificent 7 we struggled and looked like a disorganised mess until the Oxford match. it's the only thing that stops me from totally avoiding Everton related thoughts at the moment. Kendall loved the club though and was desprate to turn it around. Koeman says what we all are thinking in his interviews but I can't see any of those criticisms being addressed on the field. I thought the days of me enjoying international breaks were well behind me but not having to face another Everton game where we simply don't turn up, even at Goodison, is a good thing

The Oxford game was almost three years after Howard fetched in the Magnificent Seven and most of that intake were gone by the time of the turnaround.

Biley, Ferguson, Walsh, Ainscow etc.

Mickey flippin’ Thomas

I think only Neville was still around when the change came after Oxford.






Howard did a similar thing at the start of his third spell......brought in a whole raft of players and put them all in the side together with almost disastrous consequences.

Blilc, Oster, Williamson, O’Kane.

And the sainted Gareth Farrelly

I think the lesson to be drawn from Howard’s two player revolutions and Koeman’s current one is that chucking a whole load of new players in a team all at once is a surefire recipe for confusion on the pitch.

 

[Tigger]

Peter Reid fantastic player, crap manager

He understands the club and what the fans want, Reid and Unsy in now, can't be any worse than Strawberry bollox.

 

[Bullet]

"The gold standard for me is Premier League position... I think we need to do well in the league, that’s where Everton’s competitive edge will be measured." Farhad Moshiri.
RK will live or die by league performance not any cup competition. Mosh has made a significant investment in RK but a far greater one in EFC. If that huge investment is threatened by a potential relegation fight I've no doubt he'll fire RK to protect his money.
I suspect Mosh, though he'd love success, would be perfectly happy if RK delivered a Moyes like best of the rest league performance year after year while he got a stadium built with other investors money. That would see the value of his investment dramatically appreciate assuming the football bubble doesn't burst in the meantime.

 

[allezlesbleus]

The Oxford game was almost three years after Howard fetched in the Magnificent Seven and most of that intake were gone by the time of the turnaround.

Biley, Ferguson, Walsh, Ainscow etc.

Mickey flippin’ Thomas

I think only Neville was still around when the change came after Oxford.






Howard did a similar thing at the start of his third spell......brought in a whole raft of players and put them all in the side together with almost disastrous consequences.

Blilc, Oster, Williamson, O’Kane.

And the sainted Gareth Farrelly

I think the lesson to be drawn from Howard’s two player revolutions and Koeman’s current one is that chucking a whole load of new players in a team all at once is a surefire recipe for confusion on the pitch.

My abiding memory of how that team slowly blossomed was that for about a year prior to the Oxford game iirc we would regularly (not every match of course) be excellent for 20 mins or so in each half but not be able to sustain it consistently and good purple patches would fade away. But once HK ditched David Johnson after that game having brought him off and settled on 2 from Sharp, Heath and Gray things began to click up front while Reid, Ratcliffe and Southall had real winners mentalities that made the less resilient players toughen up.
Also everyone forgets the Gillingham FA cup first replay when Nev saved a certain winner in a one on one from tony Cascarino (big Kopite that he is!!) because it was not on TV. That was the cup we went on to win, not the Oxford game although that certainly played a really big part in helping them turn a corner. We were dire that night at Oxford and lucky to get a replay. But that cracking team was clearly emerging even though the results were poor for months at the end of 1983.

 

[Khalekan]

My abiding memory of how that team slowly blossomed was that for about a year prior to the Oxford game iirc we would regularly (not every match of course) be excellent for 20 mins or so in each half but not be able to sustain it consistently and good purple patches would fade away. But once HK ditched David Johnson after that game having brought him off and settled on 2 from Sharp, Heath and Gray things began to click up front while Reid, Ratcliffe and Southall had real winners mentalities that made the less resilient players toughen up.
Also everyone forgets the Gillingham FA cup first replay when Nev saved a certain winner in a one on one from tony Cascarino (big Kopite that he is!!) because it was not on TV. That was the cup we went on to win, not the Oxford game although that certainly played a really big part in helping them turn a corner. We were dire that night at Oxford and lucky to get a replay. But that cracking team was clearly emerging even though the results were poor for months at the end of 1983.

Indeed.

In the March of '83 that nascent team were brilliant In a cup quarter final at OT, losing to a Stapleton goal in injury time

 

[jceverton]

The Oxford game was almost three years after Howard fetched in the Magnificent Seven and most of that intake were gone by the time of the turnaround.

Biley, Ferguson, Walsh, Ainscow etc.

Mickey flippin’ Thomas

I think only Neville was still around when the change came after Oxford.






Howard did a similar thing at the start of his third spell......brought in a whole raft of players and put them all in the side together with almost disastrous consequences.

Blilc, Oster, Williamson, O’Kane.

And the sainted Gareth Farrelly

I think the lesson to be drawn from Howard’s two player revolutions and Koeman’s current one is that chucking a whole load of new players in a team all at once is a surefire recipe for confusion on the pitch.

Thats not the conclusion I would come to myself. Kendall MK3 was definitely past his peak and Koeman, in my opinion, has never been a good manager. You can bring in whole new teams of players, Emery did it for 3 seasons at Sevilla & won Europa, but you need the following: a manager who knows exactly how he wants to play & can communicate that, the right players to execute the plan. In my opinion we have neither the players or the manager to do this.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

My abiding memory of how that team slowly blossomed was that for about a year prior to the Oxford game iirc we would regularly (not every match of course) be excellent for 20 mins or so in each half but not be able to sustain it consistently and good purple patches would fade away. But once HK ditched David Johnson after that game having brought him off and settled on 2 from Sharp, Heath and Gray things began to click up front while Reid, Ratcliffe and Southall had real winners mentalities that made the less resilient players toughen up.
Also everyone forgets the Gillingham FA cup first replay when Nev saved a certain winner in a one on one from tony Cascarino (big Kopite that he is!!) because it was not on TV. That was the cup we went on to win, not the Oxford game although that certainly played a really big part in helping them turn a corner. We were dire that night at Oxford and lucky to get a replay. But that cracking team was clearly emerging even though the results were poor for months at the end of 1983.

Agree mate,although personally I thought our young side started to blossom in 1982-83 season,that poor start the next season drained the life out of the kids but how they flourished in the second half of that season!!

 

[paultheblue]

Indeed.

In the March of '83 that nascent team were brilliant In a cup quarter final at OT, losing to a Stapleton goal in injury time

I agree about that game we were superb that day,We had 15 thousand at OT and though we lost it was a real land mark match.
Steve McMahon was one of the stars and though he is hated now he carried the team for 2 years before he left.

 

[allezlesbleus]

Agree mate,although personally I thought our young side started to blossom in 1982-83 season,that poor start the next season drained the life out of the kids but how they flourished in the second half of that season!!

Indeed.

In the March of '83 that nascent team were brilliant In a cup quarter final at OT, losing to a Stapleton goal in injury time

Yep, for about a year before the Oxford game is 1982-83. Oxford Qf was end of Jan/early Feb 1984

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Kendall in the end, survived by the skin of his teeth. In those days I went to every game home and away, and as far as I was concerned I wanted Kendall out. He was lucky in that his status as a playing hero afforded him that vital extra season.
With hindsight it's easy to see now that team , like most teams needed the time to blend, and they got it , just. As fans we can't see into the future or even what goes on in training. We can only react to what we see on the pitch, and sometimes despite our collective years of experience we can get it wrong.

 

[zebedee]

That would see the value of his investment dramatically appreciate assuming the football bubble doesn't burst in the meantime.

Think your right mate. It's only going to get worse when amazon, google etc get in the game with live streaming. What worries about all that though is hire and fire. not just at everton but across the leagues... Modern times I guess. Still optimistic we'll finish 7th/8th this session be with RK only time will tell. Drop the ego's and just get our game face on that's all thats needed not like we haven't been here before is it

 

[Steve Wigan]

So you are happy with everything. I think the concern is we appear to be in free fall and there is no direction in averting it. I honestly feel if the performances were improving RK may be given more time, but he is so stubborn in his actions people are rightly so annoyed and concerned

No..I'm not happy with everything at all, and I haven't said as much. What I am saying is that at this point the board will not be too unhappy with RK, but that they will not give him forever. There always is a point of no return, but we are not at it yet.