ijjysmith
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I don't know what the heck happened.
And I could not amend it, even trying three or four edits
You made some very bold statements in that post so it's fine.
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You made some very bold statements in that post so it's fine.
You make some very valid points there mate.
However without comparing the current games won, lost, drawn, points etc to the short lived Walker reign, the way the team are currently playing is so similar to his team it's frightening.
The team appears to have collapsed, same as Walkers.
It's like watching a kids footy match, where some of the kids just stop playing after the fifth goal goes in against them.
The realty is that we're in a lot of trouble and I don't think Koeman is the man to get us out of it, having got us into it in the first place.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
It was January.
With a last minute winner versus Palace.
And yet many round these parts are confident of victory at Brighton.
Though their numbers are dwindling rapidly
he has to go for a win...so we will probably lose again.
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
As I have always maintained 3 seasons is the generally accepted timescale to judge a manager( barring imminently disaster of course). You seem to be placing a time limit of 1 season and 2 months on this judgement, will this apply to all future managers?
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Donald Twain
Vide cor meum
Anyone who thinks the state the club team and manager is on par with the Walker disaster clearly wasnt there!
BrendanGOT
Player Valuation: £30m
So has he left like all the ITKs have said?
Frang
Player Valuation: £70m
Koeman and the board are all to blame. they have taken it in turns to drive us blindly into a dead end, and they are all out of the car looking aimlessly at eachother as to who the eff is going to have a go at reversing the car out of it.
ijjysmith
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Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
I always felt it was, but it's a fairly sensible criteria nonetheless. First season (usually) firefighting and assessing. Second season ,generally regarded as potentially the most difficult with the introduction of new players and possibly new playing style. Third season it's all his and should be ready to perform from day one. However if we are to condense this into just over one season, at least we should have the excitement of a new manager every season.
Indeed.
Though I think comparisons with Walker, Walter and even Bobby are pointless.....the past is a foreign country.
We are were we are right now.
And from my perspective we are teetering on the brink of a very bad place, Don
There is a real possibility we will go into this Brighton game ensconced in the bottom three.
Who would have thought that before the season started, tough opening fixtures or not
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
They aren't good line ups in my opinion mate but absolutely, everyone is entitled to one.
I am one of the few it seems that don't believe that having 3 number 10s in one team, being Klaassen, Rooney and Schneiderlin, is the crucial issue.
As i've mentioned before (as have others), Spurs don't play with out and out wingers. Lamela and Sissoko like to drift inside, as too does Eriksen. They've got Dele Alli and Son too.
What they have though in Dembele, Wanyama, Vertonghen, Alderweireld and, to a much lesser degree Dier who I think is an abomination of a CM, are players who get the ball forwards early to their flair players.
Rooney, Sig and Klaassen can all play one touch football. They are each technically very good. The issue I think is, the build up is so slow - mainly due to Schneiderlin and Williams, that the opposition can cluster in around the players in front of them that it becomes nigh on impossible for them to do anything with it.
Also, and to use an example from Spurs again, if a team sits off them and allows their defensive players space, Dembele will take the ball towards the congestion. The further he goes, the more uncomfortable the opposition gets and one of those banked players have to come out and meet him. Disruption. He then straight away looks for Eriksen etc or whoever is now in a few yards of space because the opponents have had to break ranks. Another option is going from CB to CF with a pass down the channel and building from there as Keane tries to do. But Spurs are constantly playing quickly and / or committing their opponents one way or the other,
Having an out of form Schneiderlin and a woeful Ashley Williams in the side, compounded by the lack of Coleman is what's hurting us the most. The former two are those who have to set the tone and but at the moment the tone they set is slow and ponderous.
BrendanGOT
Player Valuation: £30m
Must be easy being an ITK, just make stuff up and put "rumour is" or "I'm hearing" in front of it and that's it. Might start a twitter page just for jarg rumours and make a fortune off advertising, sounds like someone we know... lol good for a laugh isn't it mate!
I agree with the theory of that, but it won't always work in practice.
Ideally I wouldn't want Koeman sacked now, because he's bought his own players in, and I like the idea of continuity. There has to be a reason why a manager gets that period though, something that makes you think it's worthwhile giving them time. Martinez basically got 3 years because of his first year, but I don't think anyone can argue now that we didn't just waste a year before the inevitable happened. He could easily have been sacked after his second season but we had to sit through another painful 12 months before it was finally accepted that what many had people had been saying for 12 months or more was true - he was useless. What's the point in doing that again?
If Koeman shows signs of building something good here then he should stay for at least the duration of his contract. If we carry on like we are then he should get sacked.
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