Ronald Koeman discussion

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I have a gut feeling he'll walk before he’s sacked. He wants that Barca job and if he's sacked from us after spending 150m his rep will take a massive knock. If he walks he can blame the club for not matching his ambition, backing his transfer demands and all sorts like that. He's all about self-preservation. The man has no emotional bond to our club, not even the slightest and the impression I get is he simply isn’t that bothered right now. That is unforgivable.
 

Everton are interested in appointing Walter Mazzarri as their new manager, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.
It has been reported that the Toffees made contact with the former Napoli head coach immediately after their 1-0 defeat to Burnley at Goodison Park in the Premier League on Sunday afternoon.

A meeting could take place in the coming days, with Mazzarri “intrigued” by the prospect of working in the Premier League again, according to the report.

I can’t remember is he the Ex Watford one who was crap?
 
Yup, we were looking good in that 4-4-2 right up to Burnley scoring

The issue is just that Mikey.

Collapsed and reverted to type after 20 minutes.

It's a shambles.

The experienced players are to blame as well.

Baines - their goal again came from him being negative and playing a crap pass, even though the defending was garbage.

Schneiderlin and Gana - both dire.

Williams - awful.

Sigurdsson - missed two great chances.

Those players need to be stepping up, but Koeman seems to pick them no matter what.

Sigurdsson, yes there's leeway and he needs to be played in his correct role. That's about confidence and settling down. Build a team around him.

Baines, we have no other choice, but he's simply not up to scratch to be starting three games a week anymore.

One of the DM's needs dropping.
 

Just as a genuine question, did you view Palace as ambitious when they sacked FDB?

Like, I'm not sure the main criteria of an ambitious club is sacking a manager, that's all - even though if Koeman was shown the door then I wouldn't really care.
I don't think sacking a manager makes a club ambitious, but I would expect an ambitious club to sack a manager when things have clearly gone south. Chelsea did it with Mourinho, United with Moyes, Liverpool with Rodgers. Clubs with real ambition don't accept poor performance for long.
 
I'm hoping that statement from Moshiri is part of a gentleman's agreement. I.E. the decision has been make. Moshiri gives his backing, RK makes a statement today thanking the club for their support, but he's decided to walk.
 
Given that the people who run the club thought Koeman was a top class manager, a match for the other big names in the North East, and worth shelling out a lot of money for....I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility they would look to the manager Watford sacked.
 
There's a big difference between Goodison hostility and other clubs tbf. How many clubs have booed their players off at half time at Wembley for example? (Semi against United 2015) When we've had enough it gets ugly.


We got a heck of a response that day at Wembley after we booed the team off at half time.

Very unlucky to lose in the end, after an atrocious first half.
 
Given that the people who run the club thought Koeman was a top class manager, a match for the other big names in the North East, and worth shelling out a lot of money for....I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility they would look to the manager Watford sacked.


North East???


Agree with the rest though. Utterly dull manager. Southampton hadn't offered him an extension, yet when we came sniffing they held us to ransom!!

Koeman needs to go immediately, but we need a clear out at board level before we make the next bad decision.
 

Given that the people who run the club thought Koeman was a top class manager, a match for the other big names in the North East, and worth shelling out a lot of money for....I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility they would look to the manager Watford sacked.


"the great managers of the world are being drawn to the north west of England.....Jose, Pep, Klopp and now lol"

Thus spake Moshiri after he had chucked enough dough at both Saints and Ronald to fetch our superstar manager here :pint2:
 
I don't get why people are going after individual players, this all lies with Ronald Koeman...

Sigurdsson - Keeps getting played on the left, his best position is No.10, when he did move more central yesterday you could see his worth and looked by far our most dangerous player.

Klassen - Don't see how anybody can expect anything from Klassen in a system where all our efforts are focused down the centre, therefore the opposition are going to crowd that area leaving no space at all. We need to be creating space for our creative players to operate by stretching teams with width and movement. We have played with very little width and our movement is non-existent. He is suffocated every time he plays.

Sandro - Again, I don't see how Sandro can perform in this system. Looks technically good, skilful, quick with his feet ect but when our creative players can't get on the ball, I don't see how Sandro can get the required service. Probably why DCL and Niasse are doing well, because you can go route one to them which you can't with Sandro.

I personally don't see how Klassen, Rooney and Sigurdsson can play in the same side. I struggle to see how even two of them can play together. That however is why Koeman gets paid 6 mil a year and I'm sitting in a Portocabin. Koeman has so far failed to create a system where these players can thrive together which in itself, considering the outlay, is a sackable offence. Although I didn't expect them to fully gel after a couple of months, there is a bare minimum you expect and what Koeman has delivered is miles below this. What baffles me even more is that even though only Sigurdsson started out of the trio, he still didn't play central. Putting Niasse and DCL up top and playing direct is a sign of defeat for me on this one.

Another thing that continues to wind me up is playing Gana and Schniederlin together in games we 'should win'...

I could just about accept it if both players are bang on form, but Schniederlin is far from that. We then end up with our team deeper than it should be and Gana is being left to play slightly more advanced and pick the vital passes, that is NOT his game! Should have binned Schniederlin yesterday and Played Gueye holding mid and Davies slightly ahead. That would have created a link and transition between defence and attack which we lost after they scored.

After their goal we looked like a bottom 3 side with a nuisance forward, we lost our shape and our confidence. Surely down to Koemans man management affecting the mentality of the players. We gave in to our game plan so easily, we were timid. Wouldn't mind some of that character Brenden used to go on about so much, he was spot on, massively important.

I'm not taking anything away from DCL, just stating that having to go route one to him despite buying all these creative players (which Koeman now seems to think we have none of) is a sign of Koemans failure. DCL has done fantastic with what he has been given and at times carried us. I'm also sure he will be a massive success under a more modern system.

Their are numerous types of managers... Attacking, defensive, man-managers, coaches, tacticians.

Mourinho & Conte tick all the boxes for me, Klopp ticks 3, Guardiola ticks 4, Alladyce and Pulis tick 3, Martinez 3.

RONALD KOEMAN IS CURRENTLY SHOWING 0 OUT OF THE ABOVE, WE HAVE NO SYSTEM, NO IDENTITY AND WE AREN'T GOOD AT ANYTHING, AT LEAST UNDER MARTINEZ WE COULD SCORE GOALS.

THIS IS THE BEST GROUP OF PLAYERS IVE SEEN IN MY LIFE TIME BUT THE WORST TEAM.

HAS TO GO!


Great post, Ryan ;)
 

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