Ronald Koeman discussion

[brieverton]

Just a feeling about it, it is the sort of game we will turn up and win simply to make things seem a bit better. Remember 2 years ago when we were terrible but beating Newcastle villa and Sunderland were lifelines for better things? Even as far as the February we were looking at a couple of wins for top 8 (despite never getting them).

Part of me believes that the quality of individuals will win us the odd game, a siggurdson free kick, Keane corner, niasse/lewen scoring the odd goal etc. It will be these moments that 'buy' koeman time for another week each time they happen although I won't expect substance to it.

Brighton is a perfect example of it, followed by a crashing to earth against Lyon again and the cycle will continue. I wonder what the point of no return isnfor the board though, out of 2 cup competitions and bottom half struggling to win before December is a pretty big siren to ambitious clubs

You would hope so, and I will always 110% want us to win the next and every game. If that keeps Koeman in a job, absolutely fine with me.

I will say though that I have never seen a team struggle to get through the basics in a game as badly as I have done with us, both in the dying embers of Martinez and now with RK.

We actually need the players to now collectively abandon whatever rubbish Koeman has filled their heads with, and go out and play. It's then the likes of Gylfi might produce something. But equally, more proof we need a new manager.

And I'd say Brighton can't wait to play us. The only time we seem to exceed expectations is when I think we can't get any worse.

 

[BlueToff]

I'm trying to remember what made Southampton so good that RK was seen as the answer.
Two pacy wing backs, solid CBs, Tadic creating chances for the striker who's name escapes me. It wasn't rocket science anyway and they didn't have half our money.

He had them playing a pressing system with quick players, and an energetic midfield.

They also had a bit of physicality about them.

 

[BlueToff]

Are you going to stand and cheer when we can't defend against a 10 man Cypriot team, are you going to clap a team that gets beaten at home to Burnley. How do you get behind that.

No.

I was fuming yesterday and on Thursday.

But if he's not going anywhere just yet, I can't be arsed seeing people moan for the next two weeks.

It's crap at the moment. The manager takes the blame for me and the more experienced players (who the manager picks) aren't far behind in that.

The end of the window was tosh and for that I'd like serious questions to be asked of the board and of Walsh.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

But ok that's football

What does that even mean?

It's beginning to sound like a very dismissive phrase that. He may as well be saying "we've just been beaten by Burnley at home because we had no answer after we went a goal down, but ok s**t happens.."

 

[Papa Shango]

It's scandalous that the only way the right things get done at this club, is through concerted fan pressure and hostility. It shouldn't be that way but the board refuse to act till they are forced.

Like every club on earth?

 

[bluestevon]

Just a feeling about it, it is the sort of game we will turn up and win simply to make things seem a bit better. Remember 2 years ago when we were terrible but beating Newcastle villa and Sunderland were lifelines for better things? Even as far as the February we were looking at a couple of wins for top 8 (despite never getting them).

Part of me believes that the quality of individuals will win us the odd game, a siggurdson free kick, Keane corner, niasse/lewen scoring the odd goal etc. It will be these moments that 'buy' koeman time for another week each time they happen although I won't expect substance to it.

Brighton is a perfect example of it, followed by a crashing to earth against Lyon again and the cycle will continue. I wonder what the point of no return isnfor the board though, out of 2 cup competitions and bottom half struggling to win before December is a pretty big siren to ambitious clubs

Not arguing with this mate as its pretty likely, would say though that an ambitious club would have sacked him this morning.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Like every club on earth?

Not really. Other than Arsenal we've had as few managers as anyone.

 

[BlueToff]

Not arguing with this mate as its pretty likely, would say though that an ambitious club would have sacked him this morning.

Just as a genuine question, did you view Palace as ambitious when they sacked FDB?

Like, I'm not sure the main criteria of an ambitious club is sacking a manager, that's all - even though if Koeman was shown the door then I wouldn't really care.

 

[BlueToff]

Not really. Other than Arsenal we've had as few managers as anyone.

Which isn't a bad thing

 

[Sweeneytoad]

Like every club on earth?

There's a big difference between Goodison hostility and other clubs tbf. How many clubs have booed their players off at half time at Wembley for example? (Semi against United 2015) When we've had enough it gets ugly.

 

[Papa Shango]

There's a big difference between Goodison hostility and other clubs tbf. How many clubs have booed their players off at half time at Wembley for example? (Semi against United 2015) When we've had enough it gets ugly.

I meant the board thing.

The players deserved to be booed off at half time by the way, they were an utter disgrace.

Still are...

 

[tommye]

I see his 'B4 RCA' car numberplate has become an issue now too.

Our fans are great aren't they.

 

[toffeeblue9]

I don't really enjoy typing this but the alarm bells are ringing here

We gave Martinez too long before we sacked him, that is at the back of my mind

From where I sit, I don't think you are allowed to spend the kind of money we did in the summer and win 2 games in 10

If we don't sack him during the international break (when it may be convenient, giving us time to sort out a successor either temporary or permanent), I think we should be marking a very clear line in the sand as far as expected improvement goes within a given timescale, and that timescale should be relatively short.

 

[ryanbeno80]

I don't get why people are going after individual players, this all lies with Ronald Koeman...

Sigurdsson - Keeps getting played on the left, his best position is No.10, when he did move more central yesterday you could see his worth and looked by far our most dangerous player.

Klassen - Don't see how anybody can expect anything from Klassen in a system where all our efforts are focused down the centre, therefore the opposition are going to crowd that area leaving no space at all. We need to be creating space for our creative players to operate by stretching teams with width and movement. We have played with very little width and our movement is non-existent. He is suffocated every time he plays.

Sandro - Again, I don't see how Sandro can perform in this system. Looks technically good, skilful, quick with his feet ect but when our creative players can't get on the ball, I don't see how Sandro can get the required service. Probably why DCL and Niasse are doing well, because you can go route one to them which you can't with Sandro.

I personally don't see how Klassen, Rooney and Sigurdsson can play in the same side. I struggle to see how even two of them can play together. That however is why Koeman gets paid 6 mil a year and I'm sitting in a Portocabin. Koeman has so far failed to create a system where these players can thrive together which in itself, considering the outlay, is a sackable offence. Although I didn't expect them to fully gel after a couple of months, there is a bare minimum you expect and what Koeman has delivered is miles below this. What baffles me even more is that even though only Sigurdsson started out of the trio, he still didn't play central. Putting Niasse and DCL up top and playing direct is a sign of defeat for me on this one.

Another thing that continues to wind me up is playing Gana and Schniederlin together in games we 'should win'...

I could just about accept it if both players are bang on form, but Schniederlin is far from that. We then end up with our team deeper than it should be and Gana is being left to play slightly more advanced and pick the vital passes, that is NOT his game! Should have binned Schniederlin yesterday and Played Gueye holding mid and Davies slightly ahead. That would have created a link and transition between defence and attack which we lost after they scored.

After their goal we looked like a bottom 3 side with a nuisance forward, we lost our shape and our confidence. Surely down to Koemans man management affecting the mentality of the players. We gave in to our game plan so easily, we were timid. Wouldn't mind some of that character Brenden used to go on about so much, he was spot on, massively important.

I'm not taking anything away from DCL, just stating that having to go route one to him despite buying all these creative players (which Koeman now seems to think we have none of) is a sign of Koemans failure. DCL has done fantastic with what he has been given and at times carried us. I'm also sure he will be a massive success under a more modern system.

Their are numerous types of managers... Attacking, defensive, man-managers, coaches, tacticians.

Mourinho & Conte tick all the boxes for me, Klopp ticks 3, Guardiola ticks 4, Alladyce and Pulis tick 3, Martinez 3.

RONALD KOEMAN IS CURRENTLY SHOWING 0 OUT OF THE ABOVE, WE HAVE NO SYSTEM, NO IDENTITY AND WE AREN'T GOOD AT ANYTHING, AT LEAST UNDER MARTINEZ WE COULD SCORE GOALS.

THIS IS THE BEST GROUP OF PLAYERS IVE SEEN IN MY LIFE TIME BUT THE WORST TEAM.

HAS TO GO!

 

[sheedys left foot]

Not even close to those days. And if you actually believe it is then I genuinely worry what has happened to our fans.

You're right, we are a whopping 4 points better off with this muppet although we have scored 3 less than the during same period under the English Ronald koeman.