Ronald Koeman discussion

Gladystweet · September 29, 2017

dholliday said:
lol

Look what he's done to me. I just couldn't stop staring

COYBL25 · September 29, 2017

CRIMHEAD said:
Not picking winger, picking 5 number 10s, blah blah blah blah. We had 62% possession, 8 shots on goal, dominated the game, attacked out wide through Baines and Kenny at times - those are your wingers, BTW, but our two pathetic center halfs killed us. Williams gave a goal away and every set piece was a joke because he and Holgate couldn't win anything in the air.

So WHAT PRAY TELL is Koeman supposed to do about that? He has two CBs hurt, he told the board he needed another once Mori went down.

Other than that, the issue isn't with the midfield, they owned the game. There is no CF. None. DCL is the closet we've got and he's just a kid. Again, Koeman said we needed one and didn't get one. Simple as that. So not sure what tactic would've produced more goals. 2 should've been PLENTY.

So again, what TACTIC would he have employed that wouldn't have had Holgate and Williams giving the ball away and getting killed on set pieces?

Err, some width would've been nice ?

sd_1992 · September 29, 2017

faddy the blue said:
He must have said that but managers always downplay it. Even Ranieri in Leicester's title winning season wanted to get to 40 points and kept downplaying it until the very end. But that statement should not merit gutless performances from some of our "quality" players. They earn more in a week than most of do in a year and yet they don't wanna be motivated to win cos the manager is aiming at 7th? Criminal that.

The reality is that we have had a crap mindset ingrained into our club for the last 20 years. Someone needs to come in for whom this isn't about collecting a pay cheque, it needs to be someone who genuinely hates losing who can change the mentality of the club and get rid of the losers we have accumulated over the years. Koeman just doesn't strike me as that type.

Khalekan · September 29, 2017

COYBL25 said:
Err, some width would've been nice ?

Having an in form striker on the bench instead of leaving him out the squad to put an injured full back in would have been nice as well :blush:

andy4efc · September 29, 2017

Khalekan said:
I laughed as well. Andy.....my anger is all used up

20 years of going the match and tonight's game I actively swerved because absolutely fed up of the [Poor language removed] on offer

faddy the blue · September 29, 2017

Perhaps our kiddos out there watched the movie "IT" and the clown scared the crap out of them.

Cork Evertonian · September 29, 2017

Khalekan said:
What is ridiculous, Prev?

I think Prev was one of those nutters who backed Martinez to the hilt as well.So i wouldn't pay much heed to what he say's.lol

COYBL25 · September 29, 2017

Khalekan said:
Having an in form striker on the bench instead of leaving him out the squad to put an injured full back in would have been nice as well

I think in his head he's practising setting up a make believe Barcelona team up, for the job that he's never ever going to get

COYBL25 · September 29, 2017

He's become an embarrassment to the club.

Only we have the power to hound him out

faddy the blue · September 29, 2017

sd_1992 said:
The reality is that we have had a crap mindset ingrained into our club for the last 20 years. Someone needs to come in for whom this isn't about collecting a pay cheque, it needs to be someone who genuinely hates losing who can change the mentality of the club and get rid of the losers we have accumulated over the years. Koeman just doesn't strike me as that type.

I agree with that. Its about a footballing revolution we need. I thought we had that under Martinez but his biggest fault was not learning from his mistakes and working on his weaknesses. His "unique style" cost us in the end. To instill a winning mentality unfortunately you have to be ruthless as a board and sometimes do what Bayern did to Anfelotti and what Abramovic does. Our only problem is we aren't at that level yet. We somehow need to pull together 3 consecutive seasons in top 6 and get a cup to atleast show we are on the up. Then we can be ruthless with sacking managers. Right now if we sack Koeman, not sure who's the man who csn promise us a sudden success and we'll get 2 more years of transition, lose money over these players and buy more players which again will cost over the top prices. Mosh man isn't an Abramovic or Sheikh Masood.

bluenosematt · September 29, 2017

Feel like a lot of the mistakes Martinez was guilty of, Koeman is replicating i.e. playing players out of position, picking players horrendously out of form, repeating mistakes from previous games.

Rooney and Sigurdsson cannot work just as playing with no wingers is completely ineffective. Will be the same on Sunday tho no doubt

andy4efc · September 29, 2017

bluenosematt said:
Feel like a lot of the mistakes Martinez was guilty of, Koeman is replicating i.e. playing players out of position, picking players horrendously out of form, repeating mistakes from previous games.

Rooney and Sigurdsson cannot work just as playing with no wingers is completely ineffective. Will be the same on Sunday tho no doubt

Don't think Rooney and Siggurdsson would be so bad if we had pace on the other side to stretch them, but he refused to play any pace.

Osamabindiesel · September 29, 2017

bluenosematt said:
Feel like a lot of the mistakes Martinez was guilty of, Koeman is replicating i.e. playing players out of position, picking players horrendously out of form, repeating mistakes from previous games.

Rooney and Sigurdsson cannot work just as playing with no wingers is completely ineffective. Will be the same on Sunday tho no doubt

For sure

bluenosematt · September 29, 2017

andy4efc said:
Don't think Rooney and Siggurdsson would be so bad if we had pace on the other side to stretch them, but he refused to play any pace.

Fair point but feels like he's building the whole team to accomodate Rooney rather than, say, the £45m player we've just signed

tadao · September 29, 2017

CRIMHEAD said:
Not picking winger, picking 5 number 10s, blah blah blah blah. We had 62% possession, 8 shots on goal, dominated the game, attacked out wide through Baines and Kenny at times - those are your wingers, BTW, but our two pathetic center halfs killed us. Williams gave a goal away and every set piece was a joke because he and Holgate couldn't win anything in the air.

So WHAT PRAY TELL is Koeman supposed to do about that? He has two CBs hurt, he told the board he needed another once Mori went down.

Other than that, the issue isn't with the midfield, they owned the game. There is no CF. None. DCL is the closet we've got and he's just a kid. Again, Koeman said we needed one and didn't get one. Simple as that. So not sure what tactic would've produced more goals. 2 should've been PLENTY.

So again, what TACTIC would he have employed that wouldn't have had Holgate and Williams giving the ball away and getting killed on set pieces?

So, not necessarily tonight's game but, we have played some good teams and sat deep when we have no pace in the team to hit them on the break. Either, play faster players or defend higher up the pitch (Jags is still our quickest defender.. play him and not Williams and I am aware that Jags is currently injured).

When you have 2 subs lined up and we then score to take the lead, maybe take 5 mins to decide if you still want to make the subs, or just not make the changes?

They're sort of tactical things that could be looked at ?