Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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That's 50 against repeal without the Senator from Alaska and the 8 Republicans up for re-election next year.
Why don't the Dems propose the fixes needed for Obamacare but sell it as a repeal and replace. They'd get the votes and everyone could move on.
Perhaps even the mere act of the Dems suggesting anything would have certain Republicans reflexively against the proposals?
But agree with you, think they should make a proposal on specific changes rather than become the mirror image of the "party of no" that they spent so many months condemning.
Yea, no idea who advises Schumer but to me it seems like a no brainer. Change the act, fix it's issues. If some moderate republicans agree, great, a better bill. If they don't, which they probably wont, they'll be shown up for their 'party before country' stance. A win/win for dems.
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Democrats have utterly humiliated themselves for years by bending over backwards to make concessions to Republicans on healthcare. Obamacare is a conservative policy. It was first outlined and promoted by the Heritage Foundation. And, for the sake of optics, just to have a few token Republicans vote for it (which, having a super-majority, they didn't even need), the Dems gutted all the provisions that might have made it actually work - leaving only a tepid, useless "individual mandate", for example. How's that hard-earned bipartisan support for Obamacare looking now?
Republicans have put "party before country" for almost 20 years, with virtual impunity. Nobody cares. People are so partisan now, and mostly just sneer at concepts like "electoral integrity" or "rule of law." Fake news, dontchaknow. Yet Centrist Dems still cling to this idea that there's some sort of moral, cosmic reward for "bipartisan solutions" and "reaching across the aisle" and other insipid platitudes. That is just not how power works in this country, and they keep getting their hands smacked each time they extend them. This is not a decent, grown-up, responsible place.
If Dems had used their almost unprecedented and unlikely-to-be-repeated political capital in 2008 to implement health care that people could afford, much less understand, and therefore support, instead of trying to score brownie points with Washington Post columnists by flattering cynical Republican reptiles, we wouldn't be in this mess now.
Anyhow, what Dems can do or should have done is probably academic, as the Republicans, true to form, have been so overwhelmingly successful in ratf*cking and voter suppression that they are unlikely to lose Congress for a generation, no matter how badly they're outvoted.
yea, I get all that. Obamacare is a poorer version of Romney care. I want healthcare for all, but I'm a progressive leftie pinko. I just think theres some political capital to be gained here while attempting to fix the bill. I pay about 100% more than I did in the Romneycare system. Find a way to lower costs while keeping the individual mandate etc. Rather than sit back and watch the whole thing burn, the Democrats have a chance to take control of this, and if it saves me thousands every year, all the better.
Good thing Trump is so good a getting deals done...
Someone give the guy a participation trophy, sad Donald.
abelard
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Haha I've never doubted your progressive leftie pinko cred ; )
They already tried the modest reform idea though
They can't do anything until they actually control a branch of government, and I don't think more of the same is going to deliver that
Woah, even Fox!
Repeal is dead.
Update, 12:42 p.m.: That didn't take long. Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, as she was lunging into an elevator in the Senate basement, told reporters that she would not vote to proceed on the bill. There are now three Republican "no" votes, enough to block it.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...e&tse_id=INF_2e9376906bdd11e790011d41b85aaeb5
Update, 12:42 p.m.: That didn't take long. Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, as she was lunging into an elevator in the Senate basement, told reporters that she would not vote to proceed on the bill. There are now three Republican "no" votes, enough to block it.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...e&tse_id=INF_2e9376906bdd11e790011d41b85aaeb5
As long as healthcare is for-profit (especially insurers who are beholden to shareholders not the insured), lower costs are not happening.
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