Homepage Update: Mayor's Bramley Moore Dock Open Letter To Evertonians

[brieverton]

Mixed feelings about this, it does feel on gut instinct like being told we're getting what we asked for at Christmas, but then not quite.

It seems it will be a lot of fuss over nothing if Liverpool doesn't get the games.

Taking that into account, and with no specialist knowledge, I hope that won't have compromised Meis' original design. He has said it won't, so I guess I'll take him on trust on that one.

I have been impressed so far by his enthusiasm for the job and clear willingness to embrace the fans and the club. He might be just great at PR as ultimately he will deliver to specification but until I see something to the contrary I won't worry too much.

Of course the council would have to pay for this track, but as others have asked whats in this for Everton? Doing our bit for the community? I'm all for that but this is a sporting event that 10'000's will pay to attend - do we get a % of ticket sales? As we are already going to be paying the council for guaranteeing the loan, yesterdays news just seems to cement that fact that they are going to be doing very well from a development that Everton are paying for in full.

The biggest consideration though is that the track doesn't compromise on intimacy of atmosphere and proximity to the pitch. If that can be achieved I don't mind what happens, as long as we get 60k capacity too.

 

[Kev50]

Yes they do. Any designs been released?? No.

Point proven. You're cry arsing over the evil thoughts in your head

This design you're banging on about is going to be pretty bloody special, in fact it will be a first. From athletics stadium ito intimidating football venue. Never been done before, but let's hope for The best

 

[nsno-chris]

This design you're banging on about is going to be pretty bloody special, in fact it will be a first. From athletics stadium ito intimidating football venue. Never been done before, but let's hope for The best

What design am I talking about, don't think I've mentioned a design.

I told you to wait until the designs are released to see how the architect is looking to incorporate this aspect.

 

[bicycleheader]

Yes they do. Any designs been released?? No.

Point proven. You're cry arsing over the evil thoughts in your head

i dont think that argument makes logical sense Chris.

The recent history of the club I think most of us agree would lead you to not fully trust them.

The history of running tracks and football stadia is not good. I think we'd all agree.

The stadium move is absolutely huge for us. Again, all agreed.

However not staying quiet about concerns about a running track is cry arsing? All because an architect who has no ties to the club and a politician tell us not to worry?

I think thats a little unfair and unreasonable to be honest.

 

[bicycleheader]

This design you're banging on about is going to be pretty bloody special, in fact it will be a first. From athletics stadium ito intimidating football venue. Never been done before, but let's hope for The best

but it wouldnt be athletics stadium to football stadium. I understood it would a football stadium, that a later point would be able to accomodate a temporary track.

Still a first, yes, but not what you are describing there.

 

[nsno-chris]

i dont think that argument makes logical sense Chris.

The recent history of the club I think most of us agree would lead you to not fully trust them.

The history of running tracks and football stadia is not good. I think we'd all agree.

The stadium move is absolutely huge for us. Again, all agreed.

However not staying quiet about concerns about a running track is cry arsing? All because an architect who has no ties to the club and a politician tell us not to worry?

I think thats a little unfair and unreasonable to be honest.

Forget about what Anderson says, he chats bubbles.

The architect is different, he knows the heritage and what the fans want. The club won't risk a kick off and the way moshiri operates I cannot see him wanting a black mark on his tenure, and a cocked up stadium would be

Kev is talking about BK making millions from this deal and it's all about having the club off. I'll debate with rationale people, not someone who is cry arsing

 

[KUEFC09U2]

Forget about what Anderson says, he chats bubbles.

The architect is different, he knows the heritage and what the fans want. The club won't risk a kick off and the way moshiri operates I cannot see him wanting a black mark on his tenure, and a cocked up stadium would be

Kev is talking about BK making millions from this deal and it's all about having the club off. I'll debate with rationale people, not someone who is cry arsing

The fact that even Anderson is saying that it's the clubs design and the club who is paying for it speaks volumes

 

[Boss_Blue]

It would be rather ironic coming from him, particularly given the hissyfit he threw when he posted on about 10 profiles of people who had liked a post that called out a weasly ITK post of his.

I think he's had us all on ignore since then.

 

[Boss_Blue]

FOR THE LAST TIME, THE STADIUM WONT HAVE A RUNNING TRACK!




...Mayor, architect and club all confirm that the stadium will have a running track.


Great stuff.

 

[ijjysmith]

Loads of people some unhappy about something that might not happen.

What are you actually going to do about it other than post furiously on here about it?

I know @GrandOldTeam feels strongly about this so is trying to get Dan Meis to speak to @Adam-GOTTV about the whole thing. A fantastic move.

What is everyone else doing about it if they're not happy?

 

[Kev50]

Forget about what Anderson says, he chats bubbles.

The architect is different, he knows the heritage and what the fans want. The club won't risk a kick off and the way moshiri operates I cannot see him wanting a black mark on his tenure, and a cocked up stadium would be

Kev is talking about BK making millions from this deal and it's all about having the club off. I'll debate with rationale people, not someone who is cry arsing

The reason I raise Bill and Moshiri and the architect is because people are saying we should have faith in them, and not to worry. I am pointing out that in my view two out of those three people stand to benefit hugely in a financial sense from this stadium going ahead, whilst the third is the hired help of the first two

 

[Kev50]

but it wouldnt be athletics stadium to football stadium. I understood it would a football stadium, that a later point would be able to accomodate a temporary track.

Still a first, yes, but not what you are describing there.

Fair point, I don't think though on the ground it will make a huge amount of difference, we will need to magic away a running track, and it's never been done before

 

[RobSpurs]

You'll soon know what you're up against:

#Birmingham to unveil vision and logo for #CommonwealthGames bid on Monday http://ow.ly/SksK30cFwbX

 

[Moomin]

Yeah, and I also said 4 steep stands, 58000 capacity and no running track.

One of these things has already come true. As will the other two.

@tommye

You also said no temporary running track a few weeks back.

You are making Theresa May seem strong and stable with the amount of U-turns you are making.

The design for the BMD stadium is already done and will be released when EFC have the funding guaranteed and want to announce it. That's the hold up. It is not a bowl. There is no running track. Why do you think Anderson suddenly started throwing Manchester's name around as hosting some of the events in recent days? Because he now knows there is no chance of a permanent running track at BMD or even a temporary one. Glasgow hosted the 2014 games. Opening & closing ceremonies at Celtic Park (no running track) and athletics at Hampden Park in a different city, Edinburgh. That's what Anderson is referring to - the athletics being held in Manchester.

Really wish I could say more but I can't and I realise that makes me look like the usual dreaded self-styled ITK on here but it's gonna be a 58000 four sided stadium with one side being a massive one tier 15-20000 seater 'kop' stand (for want of a better word). There is not going to be a running track under any circumstances. That's not in Dan's design, that's not the wish of the club, the club realise what a total PR disaster it would be, and they've learned from the West Ham situation, as referenced by Dan himself on Twitter.

The Commonwealth Games bid really has no real influence at all on the design and building of this new stadium. I appreciate some people find that hard to believe due to Joe at times trying to marry up the two concepts together but that really is the case. The design for the BMD stadium will be out long before the outcome of the Commonwealth Games bid is known and they're not putting a running track in on the off chance that Liverpool gets awarded the games, nor is there any contingency plan to change the design and insert a track if the bid is successful.

Meis isn't the one talking about a running track mate. It's trolls on here who keep bringing it up because they find it amusing.

 

[Trueblue1878]

You don't seem to grasp that IT WON'T AFFECT THE DESIGN OF THE STADIUM.

In EXACTLY the same way that when the Tony Bellew fight was held on the pitch at Goodison, transforming the stadium into a boxing arena was TEMPORARY.

The new stadium is being built as a football stadium with steep stands close to the pitch, as you will see when the designs are revealed.

There's no debate or sides to be taken over this. Either you understand these basic facts or you don't.

Wrong.....just wrong.

The basic facts are that you can not fit an athletics track inside four steep sided ground.

It needs an area of 177m x 93m = 16461 square metres.

Most football ground have an area of 117m x 80m = 9360 square metres.......that's a difference of over 7100 square metres.

Another way to look at is is to look at Spurs NWHL, then try to imagine how they'd be able to put a track in it.