Europa League Qualification Poll

If seventh gets us into the Europa League, how would you feel ?

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ToffeeDan said:
2 Qualifying rounds are not such a bad thing. It gives us the chance to play the equivalent of pre-season against moderate opposition (hopefully, from a qualifying perspective) and some valuable ranking points.

I think we might scrape into Pot 2 if progressing through the Qualifiers. Right now we're ranked 71 in Europe. A number of teams ranked above us are either in CL or won't qualify at all. For future seasons we could use the leg up from next season's matches - we're currently 64th for the season after (though that would rise 2 or 3 places due to English teams' results next season) and then the rest would be down to us. A decent Europa season could see us rise into the mid 40s at least and the 4 games in the Qualifying rounds would help in that regard. Mid 40s are you're talking Pot 1 for Europa and potentially not the bottom Pot in Champions League (even possibly seeding in CL qualifiers).
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We'll almost certainly be pot 2 in the groups (if we get there). I had a look pre the weekend & if all leagues finish as they are now & all favourites win cups & qualifiers etc then we're the top team in group 3.

In reality at least one team above us will slip up, moving is to pot 2.

One minor point, qualifying games get very little in terms of coefficient. So they don't really make much difference in terms of ranking.
 

maccavennie said:
do you know when the draw is made mate and am I right in saying all being well we would have 3 qualifying games then the qst game of the season then the 4th quakifitying game?

I'm assuming now the qualifying games will make up a huge part of our pre season.
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July 14, 2017 draw for 3rd qualifying round Europa League
July 27, 2017 3rd qualifying round Europa League, 1st leg
August 3, 2017 3rd qualifying round Europa League, 2nd leg
August 4, 2017 draw for 4th qualifying round (play-off round) Europa League
August 17, 2017 4th qualifying round Europa League, 1st leg
August 24, 2017 4th qualifying round Europa League, 2nd leg
August 25, 2017 draw for Europa League group stage
September 14, 2017 1st match Europa League group stage
September 28, 2017 2nd match Europa League group stage
October 19, 2017 3rd match Europa League group stage
November 2, 2017 4th match Europa League group stage
November 23, 2017 5th match Europa League group stage
December 7, 2017 6th match Europa League group stage
December 11, 2017 draw for 2nd (round of 32) Europa League
February 15, 2018 2nd round Europa League, 1st leg
February 22, 2018 2nd round Europa League, 2nd leg
February 23, 2018 draw for 3rd round (round of 16) Europa League
March 8, 2018 3rd round Europa League, 1st leg
March 15, 2018 3rd round Europa League, 2nd leg
March 16, 2018 draw for quarter-finals Europa League
April 5, 2018 Quarter Finals Europa League, 1st leg
April 12, 2018 Quarter Finals Europa League, 2nd leg
April 13, 2018 draw for semi-finals Europa League
April 26, 2018 Semi Finals Europa League, 1st leg
May 3, 2018 Semi Finals Europa League, 2nd leg
May 16, 2018 Final Europa League (Lyon)
 
ToffeeDan said:
July 14, 2017 draw for 3rd qualifying round Europa League
July 27, 2017 3rd qualifying round Europa League, 1st leg
August 3, 2017 3rd qualifying round Europa League, 2nd leg
August 4, 2017 draw for 4th qualifying round (play-off round) Europa League
August 17, 2017 4th qualifying round Europa League, 1st leg
August 24, 2017 4th qualifying round Europa League, 2nd leg
August 25, 2017 draw for Europa League group stage
September 14, 2017 1st match Europa League group stage
September 28, 2017 2nd match Europa League group stage
October 19, 2017 3rd match Europa League group stage
November 2, 2017 4th match Europa League group stage
November 23, 2017 5th match Europa League group stage
December 7, 2017 6th match Europa League group stage
December 11, 2017 draw for 2nd (round of 32) Europa League
February 15, 2018 2nd round Europa League, 1st leg
February 22, 2018 2nd round Europa League, 2nd leg
February 23, 2018 draw for 3rd round (round of 16) Europa League
March 8, 2018 3rd round Europa League, 1st leg
March 15, 2018 3rd round Europa League, 2nd leg
March 16, 2018 draw for quarter-finals Europa League
April 5, 2018 Quarter Finals Europa League, 1st leg
April 12, 2018 Quarter Finals Europa League, 2nd leg
April 13, 2018 draw for semi-finals Europa League
April 26, 2018 Semi Finals Europa League, 1st leg
May 3, 2018 Semi Finals Europa League, 2nd leg
May 16, 2018 Final Europa League (Lyon)
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so in order to win it we will have to play 19 games, basically another half a season on top lol
 
I reckon the last game vs Arsenal could be the fight for 6th place and the difference between going straight in or undergoing qualifications.

Arsenal have United next, they'll lose most likely. Then Soton away, then Stoke away and Sunderland before us.

That's 4 games in 2 weeks. I expect them to drop points and get 6-7 pts max. If that happens, they'll be on 66-67 pts, 8-9 above us.

We have very winnable games(Swans/Watford) before we play Arsenal. 9 possible points, which would put us 1 above Arsenal. We have to up our GD in case they get 7 pts.



It's a stretch but it's a possibility. Arsenal are in shambles. I've watched their last 4 games and ANY decently organised Prem team will tear them apart.
 

ToffeeDan said:
Don't worry, after we smash the RS home and away in the KO stage the players will be walking on air all the way to Lyon.
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I'd settle for smashing them in a 5 a side friendly atm Dan! That's a lot of games isn't it for a tournament which makes squad recruitment and promotion from within absolutely crucial
 
Yes, we have a couple of chances to go straight into the Group Stages:

1. Finish ahead of Arsenal and then need Arsenal to not win FA Cup (as the FA Cup winners get higher priority)
2. If United win Europa and don't finish in top 4 - then the CL is 5 and the Europa reduced from 3 to 2 which would be Arsenal and Everton* in either order but both in Group Stages.

* might be Liverpool and Everton (ha ha)!
 
Blake said:
One minor point, qualifying games get very little in terms of coefficient. So they don't really make much difference in terms of ranking.
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https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/calc.html

Still worth having.. 1 point per game in Q3 and 1.50 in Q4 (half for draws). Then 2+ for reaching the Group Stage. If we won all 4 games that would be 7 points which (before adding England's Coefficient which is worth a further 2.5 points+) lifts us from 71st to 58th (2017 Rankings) and a similar rise for any competition entry in 2018-19 (mid 60s to low 50s).
 

ToffeeDan said:
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/calc.html

Still worth having.. 1 point per game in Q3 and 1.50 in Q4 (half for draws). Then 2+ for reaching the Group Stage. If we won all 4 games that would be 7 points which (before adding England's Coefficient which is worth a further 2.5 points+) lifts us from 71st to 58th (2017 Rankings) and a similar rise for any competition entry in 2018-19 (mid 60s to low 50s).
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Max 2 pts from EL qualifiers.

These qualification points are not cumulative. ... The two points for the group stage of the Europa League are a minimum and will not be added to the points obtained during the group stage. So, all participating teams get at least some qualification or bonus points.
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See Slovan Liberec. Entered @ Q3. Won all four qualifiers (securing the min 2 pts only). Then won one, drew one & lost 4 in groups (3 pts).

Still only got a total of 3 pts (not including country part). This was from the group. The qualifying points were superseded as they got more than 2 from groups. So qualifying wins actually added nothing.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/tcoef2017.html
 
ToffeeTim said:
I'd rather go straight to the group stage and I'm NEA about united.
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I'd guess a lot would agree with you and I certainly wouldn't be unhappy with straight to the groups :) but in the long term, if we want to make CL ourselves then it doesn't help if we're competing with 5 teams with the additional attraction & money of CL, rather than 4.

Probably a bit petty considering how rich they are anyway. But in my eyes, the longer they are out of the CL the more chance we have of catching them.
 

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