Toffee-nerd
Player Valuation: £20m
Get a room man.
Boss rarkley. Good player.
Boss rarkley. Good player.
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His overall game has obviously improved but it's pretty hard to deny that his game is not as exciting as when he first burst onto the scene.
We all notice the improvements in other areas because we're evertonians but to the average viewer he doesn't stand out in the way he perhaps did at times during his first season and thus i can understand their view that he isn't playing with the same belief.
If you look at that arsenal away game where Del scored in 13/14 season... he was the best midfielder on the pitch that match, looked like a world beater. I've still got the edited highlights of his performance sitting on my HD and he's electric compared to how he is nowadays.
If he can get back some of the 'edge of the seat' characteristics he displayed in his first season and mix that with his improve overall game then he'll be onto a winner.
I just don't want him to go the way of rooney (in terms of style of play)... having all his flair coached out of him for the supposed good of the team. There needs to be a balance.
We all notice the improvements in other areas because we're evertonians but to the average viewer he doesn't stand out in the way he perhaps did at times during his first season and thus i can understand their view that he isn't playing with the same belief.
If you look at that arsenal away game where Del scored in 13/14 season... he was the best midfielder on the pitch that match, looked like a world beater. I've still got the edited highlights of his performance sitting on my HD and he's electric compared to how he is nowadays.
If he can get back some of the 'edge of the seat' characteristics he displayed in his first season and mix that with his improve overall game then he'll be onto a winner.
I just don't want him to go the way of rooney (in terms of style of play)... having all his flair coached out of him for the supposed good of the team. There needs to be a balance.
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applecrumble
Player Valuation: £10m
Training should include blasting eye of the tiger over the load speakers as Ross practices charging down field and firing from distance.
orly
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We must also count the number of times he dribbles in this exercise too
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
You've got to applaud him. Claiming Koeman is stifling his creativity because he doesn't run past as many people, yet when presented with facts stating how many chances he creates (Yano, the thing he's on about) he claims it's a crap stat. You could say it's 'fake news'. We have our very own Donald trump on our hands
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Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
Also, good to see @orly keeping @bluestevon from going on an axe wielding killing spree after his head fell off last night .
Barkley is boss. I like his creativity
Barkley is boss. I like his creativity
Toffee-nerd
Player Valuation: £20m
To be fair I understand the point daves making though I don't think it's koemans effect. Well to some extent it is but it's more to do with how Ross is expected to play in the position he's playing in. He had literally no responsibility under Martinez and could Potter through a game picking up the ball going balls out running at people. Koeman is teaching him that we can't use him like that and that he needs to be part of a functioning team so he has his bit to do in terms of defensive duties.
That's the role he's doing now, I don't think that's to do with the flair being trained out of him but more of him progressing into being a more rounded professional footballer. Rooney was the same, not as exciting to watch in his late 20's than his teens but he was a bigger cog in a winning team so....what do we want him to be?
I love him regardless because he's a blue born and bred and is living all of our dreams but it's difficult to argue this isn't the most consistent and best quality stuff he's played in a blue shirt, in terms of effecting games.
That's the role he's doing now, I don't think that's to do with the flair being trained out of him but more of him progressing into being a more rounded professional footballer. Rooney was the same, not as exciting to watch in his late 20's than his teens but he was a bigger cog in a winning team so....what do we want him to be?
I love him regardless because he's a blue born and bred and is living all of our dreams but it's difficult to argue this isn't the most consistent and best quality stuff he's played in a blue shirt, in terms of effecting games.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
You go head to head with Dave and this can happen.
I usually get to about 3 posts before I realise I'm not going to change his mind. I get sucked in every time
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
Agree with this. I think the excitement to his game may come back when he has prolonged confidence from consistent performances, which will probably also coincide with the team doing well. If we are able to carry on the good run we've been on, he may be able to do that this season.
I still think he is mentally fragile and I don't think he has necessarily toughened up to the extent he needs, to become a top player. I could see him suffering the same crisis in confidence if we went on a poor run again. But I am hoping that the team is on the up and there won't be any more 11th placed seasons like the ones under Martinez.
If we can be a top 7 side (at the minimum) where we regularly win games, then I think Barkley can be influential. Since our upturn in form, Barkley has improved a lot and has reduced the mistakes a lot more, and has developed his all round game.
It would be great to see him on some of the runs he used to go on, and scoring some 25 yard efforts like he used to.
orly
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You go head to head with Dave and this can happen.
He's utterly peerless in the Everton forum
He's an entire three man midfield plus Barkley on his own
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
It was Jermaine Jenas who made the observation, I seconded it.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Exactly right.
My point is that too much praise is being lavished on addressing very small and mundane things in his game and it's at the expense of that raw talent he has. I've been using the word 'neutered' because it's appropriate...much more appropriate than say 'shackled' which would make it sound like he's not able to get on the ball and make things happen at any time, and that isn't the case. But he's defo had his wings clipped.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
Relentless is probably the word I would use.
His views/posts are so polarised you feel it's your duty/mission to take him to task on it. Next thing you know you've spent (or my missus would say wasted) 2 hours of your day arguing with him. Then you realise he's probably having similar exchanges with 4/5 other posters all at the same time. All I can say is he can't have a wife like mine.
On this lads, we seriously advise the ignore and report functions.
In-thread bickering is of no use or remote interest to anyone.
The ignore function is there for a reason.
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