Gerard Deulofeu

ijjysmith · February 13, 2017

tommye said:
Would love to hear Chris Eubanks say this.....

Bluebonic · February 13, 2017

davek said:
...and yet Dumcan McKenzie will be one of only a handful of players you'll remember from that era and the rest - the Trevor Ross's, Bruce Rioch's, Peter Eastoe''s - will scarcely be thought of at all, le alone fondly.

The McKenzies and Dave Thomas' will always be remembered. Same goes for Deulofeu.

I don't disagree Dave, nobody can deny that Del,made an impression, but mostly because of what could have been? I remember Billy Kenny too! I genuinely hope the lad makes it, he seems a nice guy and that level of talent going to waste would be a crying shame. It just strikes me that he probably wont make it because he can't find that 'something' that allows him to,produce on a consistent basis, not every game, but most games. I would be delighted if I am proven wrong, and it is in his favour that I usually am,

davek · February 13, 2017

Bluebonic said:
I don't disagree Dave, nobody can deny that Del,made an impression, but mostly because of what could have been? I remember Billy Kenny too! I genuinely hope the lad makes it, he seems a nice guy and that level of talent going to waste would be a crying shame. It just strikes me that he probably wont make it because he can't find that 'something' that allows him to,produce on a consistent basis, not every game, but most games. I would be delighted if I am proven wrong, and it is in his favour that I usually am,

I think another reason he's been erratic is that Barca, it seems to me, have stuck their oar in on his career development. He was settled with us and then taken back and loaned out elsewhere, and I can imagine them also having a say in the recent Milan switch given the clauses they inserted on sell ons.

As a general point, players like Deulofeu can take a bit of time to find consistency. And I also don't think he was given enough time to show what he can do in behind a forward in a #10 role, which could be where his future lies.

whiteshadow · February 13, 2017

davek said:
I think another reason he's been erratic is that Barca, it seems to me, have stuck their oar in on his career development. He was settled with us and then taken back and loaned out elsewhere, and I can imagine them also having a say in the recent Milan switch given the clauses they inserted on sell ons.

As a general point, players like Deulofeu can take a bit of time to find consistency. And I also don't think he was given enough time to show what he can do in behind a forward in a #10 role, which could be where his future lies.

Totally agree. Ronaldo took time to find his feet and how to become more productive. Most of our fans want to play hard workers instead of give the time to a technical player to improve his productivity.

Funny thing is Del was getting assists despite being inconsistent in his general play. Now we're just playing players who don't get assists and are just as inconsistent. (but they work hard, so that's ok???) lol

davek · February 13, 2017

whiteshadow said:
Totally agree. Ronaldo took time to find his feet and how to become more productive. Most of our fans want to play hard workers instead of give the time to a technical player to improve his productivity.

Funny thing is Del was getting assists despite being inconsistent in his general play. Now we're just playing players who don't get assists and are just as inconsistent. (but they work hard, so that's ok???) lol

It's the zeitgeist. They're smitten with the new creed of perspiration over inspiration. Fast and athletic wide men who are lauded for getting back behind the ball rather than what they can do with it at their feet.

tommye · February 13, 2017

davek said:
It's the zeitgeist. They're smitten with the new creed of perspiration over inspiration. Fast and athletic wide men who are lauded for getting back behind the ball rather than what they can do with it at their feet.

I grew up with Dave Thomas as my hero, right down to always playing with my socks rolled down. Geri's flouncing about hasn't impressed me one bit. His spoilt brat huffing and puffing hasn't impressed his last half dozen or so coaches either. Go figure...

hetion · February 13, 2017

tommye said:
I grew up with Dave Thomas as my hero, right down to always playing with my socks rolled down. Geri's flouncing about hasn't impressed me one bit. His spoilt brat huffing and puffing hasn't impressed his last half dozen or so coaches either. Go figure...

Don't know how you couldn't be impressed by some of the balls he put through for Rom last season. Some of them actually made me gasp.

Not saying he's not a flawed player like.

blueblue · February 13, 2017

davek said:
I think another reason he's been erratic is that Barca, it seems to me, have stuck their oar in on his career development. He was settled with us and then taken back and loaned out elsewhere, and I can imagine them also having a say in the recent Milan switch given the clauses they inserted on sell ons.

As a general point, players like Deulofeu can take a bit of time to find consistency. And I also don't think he was given enough time to show what he can do in behind a forward in a #10 role, which could be where his future lies.

Dave. Over the last couple of seasons Deulofeu was my favourite player and I still think letting him go may be a mistake.
I would guess that the move was insisted on by Del as he wants to play and RK possibly lost interest when he realised the player would not stay and fight for his place. He certainly fell out of the reckoning very quickly and I would guess(again) that he likes to play the game as it comes to him rather than to a pattern that the manager wants.

It reminds me a bit of how Lawrenson described Daniel Sturridge at Liverpool , brilliant on the ball but you only have ten players when you don't.

I think there must be a middle ground somewhere and I think Del needs to find it fast, he had more or less been dropped by RM, had previously been sidelined by Emery and now allowed to leave by RK. That is not a good pattern for any player.

davek · February 13, 2017

tommye said:
I grew up with Dave Thomas as my hero, right down to always playing with my socks rolled down. Geri's flouncing about hasn't impressed me one bit. His spoilt brat huffing and puffing hasn't impressed his last half dozen or so coaches either. Go figure...

Dave Thomas was an established success when he arrived at Everton. An England international in his late 20s. You're comparing apples and pears.

Azzurri · February 14, 2017

whiteshadow said:
Totally agree. Ronaldo took time to find his feet and how to become more productive. Most of our fans want to play hard workers instead of give the time to a technical player to improve his productivity.

Funny thing is Del was getting assists despite being inconsistent in his general play. Now we're just playing players who don't get assists and are just as inconsistent. (but they work hard, so that's ok???) lol

Like who, mate? We have been infinitely better since Deulofeu left. I'm not saying there's a relationship there, but there's certainly a change in form.

Azzurri · February 14, 2017

The boy is clearly talented.

But Martinez, Koeman and Emery have all been unsure while Barca sold him at a knock down price. There must be a reason for that.

Huyton Layne · February 14, 2017

Maybe he's just Drenthe where he's naturally gifted at footy just has other interests that are more important to him than footy and distract him from being a good professional just instead of partying like Drenthe it's mani/pedis and dogs that look like rats.

Bluebonic · February 14, 2017

davek said:
It's the zeitgeist. They're smitten with the new creed of perspiration over inspiration. Fast and athletic wide men who are lauded for getting back behind the ball rather than what they can do with it at their feet.

Sorry Dave, one of the finest wide men ever to grace the blue shirt never got back behind the ball in his life, the difference being that speedy was consistent with his brilliance!

Bruce Wayne · February 14, 2017

whiteshadow said:
Totally agree. Ronaldo took time to find his feet and how to become more productive. Most of our fans want to play hard workers instead of give the time to a technical player to improve his productivity.

Funny thing is Del was getting assists despite being inconsistent in his general play. Now we're just playing players who don't get assists and are just as inconsistent. (but they work hard, so that's ok???) lol

Can't vouch for the accuracy of the stats, but http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/gerard-deulofeu/leistungsdaten/spieler/129476 has him at 2 assists all season (1 for us, 1 for Milan) in 18 games. Last season he had 13 in 33 games, and in his first for us he had 5 in 29 games. I'm sure had he carried on his form from last season he would still be with us, but 1 assist and no goals in 13 games is hardly world beating form.

bluestevon · February 14, 2017

Bluebonic said:
Sorry Dave, one of the finest wide men ever to grace the blue shirt never got back behind the ball in his life, the difference being that speedy was consistent with his brilliance!

Same could be said about kanchelskis and limpar, both utter passengers when without the ball, both produced consistently on it, which is why they where good enough for us. Would del have gotten games for any of the top 6 on a regular basis, don't think so.

Similar and better players have been bounced out all of there squads over the last few years.