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To be fair Martinez is managing a very decent national side whilst Moyes has messed up at Utd, Sociedad and is now dragging the life out of Sunderland with his negativity....Saturday aside ha ha.

Ronny K is legend. We agree.

Moyes made some very bad career choices, hes a limited manager, whos career will never recover from his Utd spell, he was very good for us, he couldnt take us any further and hey ho hes gone now, Martinez will leave Belgland after a shocking World Cup and take a job at championship level and never be seen in this league again thankfully.
 

Moyes is on more Money than Martinez.

He got sacked from Everton and there was a 2 month period and numerous jobs going. He got linked to Derby and that was that. A manager at his age should be at club level if he were decent enough.

He was unable to take a job in that period because he was in a legal 'battle' with his former employer.
I think we can work out you preferred Moyes to Martinez. I preferred the latter to the former.
 
Moyes made some very bad career choices, hes a limited manager, whos career will never recover from his Utd spell, he was very good for us, he couldnt take us any further and hey ho hes gone now, Martinez will leave Belgland after a shocking World Cup and take a job at championship level and never be seen in this league again thankfully.
Fair to say they are both limited. Moyes offensively, Martinez defensively.
 


The problem we have defensively is too many older players past it such as Williams and jags (why did we sign Williams?) funes mori who sadly just isn't quite up to standard and holgate who has lots of potential but needs time
 
El Fruado!!! can't be bothered with him!! his 72 points was achieved on DM solid foundations. I Just wish RK took over when he did

David Moyes solid foundations included a retiring Neville, Gueye (the other 1), Kennedy, Duffy, Junior, Mucha, Vellios, Anichebe, Jelavic, Naismith, Distin, Howard, Pienaar, Osman, Hibbert, Oviedo, Gibson, McAleny and Browning.

All but 2 of them are now gone, and the other 2 have barely played a game between them, and most on here thought the majority of them were useless, or at best, finished within 2 years of him leaving.

Our most saleable assets were Fellaini who we essentially sold to buy Lukaku, and then Stones, who despite never playing under Moyes, developed to become an international and went for £40m last summer.

The rest of the solid foundation is Jagielka Baines, Coleman, Barkley and Mirallas.

Only 3 of them most would still consider regulars, and 1 of them saw very little action under the Moyes regime, again, much to the annoyance of the majority on here.

I suppose it's just the way different people see it really isn't it.
 
looking at your points i see where you are coming from! however their was still a solid base which martinez built on. I agree that solid base aged but Rm never replaced it. Im not saying Moyes was a great manager but he was 100x better than Martinez
 

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