Ronald Koeman discussion

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jceverton said:
No doubt he did well in the second half of the season but you'd have to say it was a very strange season though, lowest points total for Premier League title, United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal all underperforming. 72 points would have got you second that year!
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Yeah fair points, this seasons shaping up just as oddly actually. Can't remember with 18 left so little between the top 6 really. And none really looking like falling away at present.
 

bluestevon said:
Some of the best managers in the game have been blunt and ruthless - Ferguson and Clough to name a couple
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Ferguson may have been ruthless and he may have done it privately but he certainly didn't publically slag off his players like Koeman. Howard Kendall was ruthless as a manager but again he didn't go public all the time slagging off his players.
 
davek said:
I can never remember Kendall condemning large part of his own squad. Maybe he did in the private conversations that you allude to. I;m not sure how you have proof of this attitude behind closed doors like.
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Spot on Kendall was ruthless but he did it privately, was straight with his players and was a gent. A world away from how Koeman behaves in public. The only occasion I can recall was 3rd time round when he made the players go out onto the pitch after the game and do a training session after we'd got beat 5-0.
 

bluestevon said:
OFM = our former manager mate

and as for management style, depends, different people respond to different styles, whats needed though is consistancy, cant do it one way for some and one for others else it comes across as double standards

Some of Koemans former players have pretty much stated they hated playing for him etc, Mane, Tadic and a fair few at Valencia for example, then again others have praised him publically and said the style brought out the best in them, VVD and Mata being two of those

As for ones who dont have fight in them, honestly do you want those players at the club, they wouldnt have lasted a minute under Kendall in his first stint here
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He probably didnt slag off VVD or Mata, just like hes not said a peep negative about the golden goose Lukaku
 
davek said:
Oh yeah. That's just good management. End of shelf life - no sentiment required. But he worked for years with many of those players and squeezed their value out before reluctantly parting company. And he'd never have banged on ceaselessly about how bad he had it with a poor squad in the press. Koeman is cut from a very different cloth than HK...which is why the latter will always be respected as a great manager as well as a great player.
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Correct and listen to how those players spoke about him years later, they loved and revered Kendall.
 
jceverton said:
Correct and listen to how those players spoke about him years later, they loved and revered Kendall.
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Because he made them winners. Might be a different matter to listen to Mickey Thomas, Alan Biley, Billy Wright etc. Howard was ruthless especially when starting out at Everton. All managers need it and Koeman has it. No sentiment needed...the club comes first not the emotions of players. They represent our club and should be tough enough mentally to take anything thrown at them. Koeman has only piped up about Barkley being at an age where he should be realising his potential and pointed out what we the fans have been saying all along about losing possession. Naisse was ousted out of the team immediately.....isn't that what we wanted or did we want Naisse to continue weakening the team in case he may come good in the long term. I admire Koeman for his honesty and if the fans and players don't like it then they need to get a thicker skin.
 

jceverton said:
Spot on Kendall was ruthless but he did it privately, was straight with his players and was a gent. A world away from how Koeman behaves in public. The only occasion I can recall was 3rd time round when he made the players go out onto the pitch after the game and do a training session after we'd got beat 5-0.
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I would have felt a bit better if I knew about the training after the 5 - 0 match. I like to know and see that the manager is furious, unhappy with players rather than keeping it behind the scenes. At least Koeman and Howard K have one thing in common and that is they demand the board backs them rather than acting timid around them. Both were winners and will/did do everything they can to be a winner regardless of whom they upset.
 
banno said:
I would have felt a bit better if I knew about the training after the 5 - 0 match. I like to know and see that the manager is furious, unhappy with players rather than keeping it behind the scenes. At least Koeman and Howard K have one thing in common and that is they demand the board backs them rather than acting timid around them. Both were winners and will/did do everything they can to be a winner regardless of whom they upset.
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Hes not won anything in England yet and even that aggressiveness can backfire in the modern game - see Mourinho or Van Gaal.
 
kenada_blue said:
Hes not won anything in England yet and even that aggressiveness can backfire in the modern game - see Mourinho or Van Gaal.
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Mourinho and Van Gaal!! Really. I am sure they have won things in England. I also remember Alex Ferguson absolutely slaughtering the Aberdeen players on TV straight after a match at Hampden Park to the extent that he had lost it. Aberdeen had minutes before just won the Scottish Cup.

We have a manager who is honest and open and tells it how it is. We now know his thoughts and are not 2nd guessing. He is like reading a match report in the paper....not holding back and more importantly its his opinion that counts. The players mettle will either make them become better players with criticism from the man that matters or will shrink away like a child. Koeman is the iron rod whilst the other coaches/staff can have kind words for the weaker players.
 
banno said:
Because he made them winners. Might be a different matter to listen to Mickey Thomas, Alan Biley, Billy Wright etc. Howard was ruthless especially when starting out at Everton. All managers need it and Koeman has it. No sentiment needed...the club comes first not the emotions of players. They represent our club and should be tough enough mentally to take anything thrown at them. Koeman has only piped up about Barkley being at an age where he should be realising his potential and pointed out what we the fans have been saying all along about losing possession. Naisse was ousted out of the team immediately.....isn't that what we wanted or did we want Naisse to continue weakening the team in case he may come good in the long term. I admire Koeman for his honesty and if the fans and players don't like it then they need to get a thicker skin.
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No it wouldn't, Mickey Thomas speaks well of Kendall calling him a gentleman and being right to do what he did. You seem to be confusing being a winner, being ruthless with acting tough in public and slagging your players off. They are two different things. Koeman managerial record isn't great, he's not a top manager and I think you can see why when he conducts himself like he does in public. I've no problem him getting rid of Niasse but the way he's done it is poor management. You can still be ruthless and act like a gent and Kendall is one of the best examples of this.
 

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