Ronald Koeman discussion

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brieverton said:
Since Martinez' first window, we have had some pretty nondescript ones since then and last summer was also a disappointment to many, including me.

A lack of Investment, poor signings by Martinez in the main, and the aging of Moyes' old guard have all combined and caught up with us.

I think it's right that we'll need to replace 80% of the squad within the next 3-5 windows. That is more or less a given.

It's also a period where we are likely going to need a healthy net spend. I know this tends to be a divisive topic and I agree that it's not a good indicator of progress in a single window, but over the course of several it does point to the level of ambition a club has.

I expect Lukaku to leave and perhaps even Barkley too and Ross isn't going to be the cash cow the board might have bargained for even at the start of this season.

Additionally, we are unlikely to move players like McCarthy and Cleverley on for example and replace them with signings in their positions that are good enough if we were to spend only what we recoup.

I also think it will be very difficult to move many of them on at all.

I hope Walsh proves that he remains adept with buying in Europe, as we have a pretty dreadful and limited record of buying non-domestic players in recent years. There is still greater value for money, albeit less than it was, so I hope that a lot of the scouting effort since August has been directed at Europe and elsewhere. Given our interest in Gabbiadini etc, last summer, I think it's likely it will.
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The first team squad has more to offer than Koeman is getting out of them. We dont need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Koeman cant spend his way to a better tomorrow. It takes hard work and using the material you have to hand. Coleman, Williams, Holgate, Galloway, Besic, Gueye, Barry, McCarthy, Mori, Davies, Barkley, Bolasie, Deulofeu, Mirallas, Lukaku are all players that would get in top half of the table teams comfortably. Seven of them played in a team that finished 5th a few seasons back. They know how to play if a manager plays them the way that gets the best out of them.

Koeman seems to be ignoring that and keeps on talking up incomings and talking down the players he has to hand. That scorched earth policy will set us back years. He's either not very bright or else he doesn't give a flying one about the job he's got on here. I wonder which one it is?
 

RBJ-II said:
Koeman is absolutely effing useless, and a shameless mercenary to boot - doesn't even feel his owes us the effort of a half-hearted attempt at looking invested in Everton, our history, our tradition, our culture, our success. His tactics are hopeless, his football is horrific, his signings are idiotic at best - abject at worst.

Can someone explain to me WTF we paid £30m to get Bolasie for - to add to our other 6 incosistent peripheral wingers - any why he continues to drone on about needing to buy strikers unless we start scoring when our midfield play is atrocious, our creativity non-existent, and our desperate need for a quality CM painfully self-evident? We're being linked with Depay and Van Dyke. I hope to god they're just typical bullshit rumours because they are not at all the players we need, and the prices quoted are insane.

Loss of Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith ripped the spirit out of the squad. Bunch of half-arsed mercenaries, without leadership or sense of team unity between them - all individuals. The football is disjointed, utterly bereft of cohesion - and that plank Koeman just takes off the steady, keep-it-simple team players who should be used to knit the play together, in favour of more wingers and strikers.

I couldn't believe when he took off Lennon, McCarthy and then Baines, FFS, against Southampton, to throw on Deulofeu, Valencia and Mirallas (who, to his credit, played half-decent). He just wiped out the midfield and the attacking composure of Baines and we just lumped it aimlessly for the last 30 mins. We did the same against Swansea - it was pathetic, abysmal, unwatchable.


We have to get rid ASAP.
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Apart from that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?
 
Stutheblue said:
The jury appears to be out (well on this forum anyway) with regards to RK. Opinion building on his way of getting the best out of this squad. Comments from him to the effect he "knows what he wants etc". Rumours our players aren't happy (as they supposedly weren't with Martinez either). If thats true, what do these players want then? Do we keep changing managers until 'they' are happy. Thats a ridiculous notion I'd say. This group have had their chances in my opinion. Two years ago I thought we had a better or equal to squad as the RS. No way now. We've gone backwards. They've gone forward. RK might not be the answer. Once he's got the players he wants in he'll be judged. That hasn't fully happened yet. My concern about him is that to start with he's paid to get the best out of the squad he inherited. I'm not sure he has, and the apparent 'lack of effort' of so called good players within this group is disturbing.
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Bullseye.
 
davek said:
....dont comfort yourself with that short list. If this run isn't halted/the footy quality doesn't improve/his attitude doesn't improve, Koeman will reach a very quick tipping point with fans of this club. He's got off on completely the wrong foot and needs to turn perceptions around asap.
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Apologies
 

davek said:
Say what you like about Roberto (and you will), but he got the club. This feller Koeman gives the impression we're something he;s stepped in. The 'kin state of him. He's a level three manager all day long....and I wouldn't ut up with his comments if it were Rinus Michels, Cruyff or Pep Guardiola, never mind some low level acolyte of theirs like Koeman.
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No he didn't 'get us', he just spouted endless nonsense that people like yourself completely bought into. Martinez was and still is a tacky snake like PR man who feeds people whatever they want to hear. They only thing he got about us is that a load of our fans are utter melts who would rather buy into his BS then face reality.
 
orly said:
You hate Ronnie K as much as the rest of us Ian
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Still a touch too early for me. I'm a firm believer that all managers need a chance. What I would say is I thought it would be much much better than this. I agree with those who say he looks distant to the club, although I'm not sure that matters.

But as I've said before the only thing that matters to me is results. I wouldn't give a toss if you were the manager, Dave was the striker and Khal was the box to box midfielder. We just need results. December look daunting now.

I'd class my self as neutral now from a previous very pro-Koeman stance, but it shows I'm open minded.
 

ijjysmith said:
It's not depressing. They're not ready.
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This needs to be aknowledged. It's such a cheap dig at Koeman about the kids, if these players were good enough he'd play them unless here were intentionally sabotaging the club.

Why aren't the apparent PL ready kids not playing for Eng U21's? That's a tell tale sign they ain't good enough/ready for me.
 
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ijjysmith said:
It's not depressing. They're not ready.
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You know when Koeman went into Southampton after Pochettino - he used the players his predecessor brought through from the academy. It's completely hypocritical and nonsensical for this feller to be now talking down younger players...many of whom are in their early 20s by the way.

Good enough = old enough. Twas ever thus.
 
ijjysmith said:
It's not depressing. They're not ready.
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Irrespective of whether Koeman is guvnor or not, I think it would indeed be pretty depressing if we had no home produced young players ready to step into the team and do a job for us at short notice.

It would certainly be unprecedented in my time as an Everton fan.
 

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