Ronald Koeman discussion

[windymiller]

IMO Williams has been our best player defensively by a distance, the incompetence of others has made it hard for him to stand out, defence is about the unit as a whole and I think he will grow into a really solid CB for us as we improve as a unit and add new faces.

In my eyes, Gueye's job is to cover ground, turn over possession and give it simple to a creative player which stats show he is one of, if not the best at this in the league this season. But due to the other players not doing their job Gueye has had to try turn provider, run at the oppositions defence and get into goal scoring positions at times which isn't his game. He has gave the ball away, been caught in possession and missed sitters but at least he has the character to step up out his comfort zone and try and make something happen whilst others are hiding.

I don't know how people can criticise the likes of Bolasie and Lukaku, they rely on service which they have had very little of this year and have still managed to be one of the leagues most effective partnerships.

As for Coleman, we have had much worse performers, but to name them is stating the obvious so I looked at players we consider to be some of our best and Coleman IMO has been substandard this season. Poor defensively, and his final ball has also been poor.. on his day he's great but we haven't seen it enough, maybe he doesn't suit Koemans system.

Bolasie is not a centre forward, he's the one who is suppose to be supplying the service to Rom. As has been stated on here tons of times before though, all he does is head down, run, followed by one of three things - 1.) Boot the ball directly out of play 2.) Lump it into the box randomly (not picking out a player or, on many occasions, even looking to see if a player is there at all) 3.) some comedy manoeuvre e.g. fall over the ball/pass straight to the opposition/keep running whilst leaving the ball behind etc..

£28M is looking like a serious mountain of money at the moment.

 

[boris]

That sums him up perfectly, its all he did for Palace. He rinsed teams on the counter, hug the touchline and wait for the move to breakdown before the defender wellies it up field and chases after it like a cheetah hyped up on sugar.

His generally ability to play football is awful, its stuff you'd get bollocked for on the sunday league pitches as a kid

I think you're understating his football ability to be honest but his shooting does leave a lot to be desired.

I am not that arsed if he's not technically the best, I'm made up to have someone as quick and strong as him in our team, they can do a lot of damage in there won right but as I mentioned, I think he's a lot better that he's been giving credit for anyway.

He needs consistency, which may never come, and goals adding to his game. The latter of which I do think can be worked on.

Williams is looking exactly what I thought he was before he arrived, bang average.

 

[Little Ralphy]

Ah now its not really but some good points there.

Obviously the league is only 13 games old but the wage table give a good indication of whether a manager is under or over achieving. Chelsea being top is only a 3% over-achievement in wage terms, where as the RS in 2nd is a 21% etc etc.. (You can only really look at these things long term and usually a manager doesn't stick around long enough, 5+ years)

Going by this we'd need something like a 50% swing based on Manager over-achievement and luck/form or whatever to get 6th, just seems like a stretch.

The problem with that though is that for example at Everton £10m+ a year is spent on wages for McGeady, Niasse, Kone and Lennon, who offer next to nothing to the first team, and were signings of the previous regime. So it'd be unfair to use the wage stat against Koeman when he's hamstrung from the start by the last fool.

 

[nsno-chris]

I think you're understating his football ability to be honest but his shooting does leave a lot to be desired.

I am not that arsed if he's not technically the best, I'm made up to have someone as quick and strong as him in our team, they can do a lot of damage in there won right but as I mentioned, I think he's a lot better that he's been giving credit for anyway.

He needs consistency, which may never come, and goals adding to his game. The latter of which I do think can be worked on.

Williams is looking exactly what I thought he was before he arrived, bang average.

I never rated him at Palace, and since i've seen him here i've seen nothing that changes my opinion of him. He's a show pony, he's strong and direct at times, but offers very little outside of running into space. He's never had goals in him and I can't see that changing, he'll hug the touchline and thats about it

He does fit in perfectly with the rest of our forward line in that he is inconsistent and doesn't press

 

[Timak]

Bolasie is what Bolasie is. A 1 in 10 scoring player who plays in a front three. Never good enough for a big team but (slightly) better than what we had. The money spent on him was terribly wasteful.

As for Koeman I'll give him time, as I did with Moyes and Martinez. There are some huge question marks (1) He doesn't seem that bothered - might just be a question of personality but we had Moyes who was always grimly determined and Martinez who was always enthusiastic. He just seems vaguely annoyed. (2) What is he working towards? He talks of a pressing game but complains we don't have the players. Well then do something else in the mean time, that is your job. (3) Issue of youth that many have. Holgate was great, then dropped. Davies played well, then not in squad. We have the best U21 team we've had in years.

 

[Little Ralphy]

Bolasie is what Bolasie is. A 1 in 10 scoring player who plays in a front three. Never good enough for a big team but (slightly) better than what we had. The money spent on him was terribly wasteful.

As for Koeman I'll give him time, as I did with Moyes and Martinez. There are some huge question marks (1) He doesn't seem that bothered - might just be a question of personality but we had Moyes who was always grimly determined and Martinez who was always enthusiastic. He just seems vaguely annoyed. (2) What is he working towards? He talks of a pressing game but complains we don't have the players. Well then do something else in the mean time, that is your job. (3) Issue of youth that many have. Holgate was great, then dropped. Davies played well, then not in squad. We have the best U21 team we've had in years.

Some good points, given the way team selections have been going, you can argue that every senior player bar Niasse has been given a chance in the first team now. And we're struggling badly.

There should be an awful lot of players with no future at Everton, and I hope that in January he can address this and then maybe start to give some of the younger lads a chance. As you say, none of them have let themselves down and some seem better options than what we're currently seeing out there.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

Manager is largely irrelevant, discuss in relation to table below.

Looks like we are where we should be in terms of our current league position.

 

[Jacko93]

Manager is largely irrelevant, discuss in relation to table below.

The manager decides neither the cost of a player, or their wages, they decide the targets.

 

[davek]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/27/mauricio-pochettino-moussa-sissoko-tottenham

£30M bullet dodged. How on earth Koeman was bringing in that feller is baffling.

 

[BlueToff]

Bolasie is not a centre forward, he's the one who is suppose to be supplying the service to Rom. As has been stated on here tons of times before though, all he does is head down, run, followed by one of three things - 1.) Boot the ball directly out of play 2.) Lump it into the box randomly (not picking out a player or, on many occasions, even looking to see if a player is there at all) 3.) some comedy manoeuvre e.g. fall over the ball/pass straight to the opposition/keep running whilst leaving the ball behind etc..

£28M is looking like a serious mountain of money at the moment.

As opposed to Barkley giving the ball away... Del running down blind alleys... Kev doing nothing.

Everton fans.

Unbelievable bunch.

Have a go at the one player who looks remotely likely to make things happen...

 

[Thomasc]

As opposed to Barkley giving the ball away... Del running down blind alleys... Kev doing nothing.

Everton fans.

Unbelievable bunch.

Have a go at the one player who looks remotely likely to make things happen...

Yep! couldn't believe my eyes when I logged on here yesterday after the game and read the comments about Bolasie.

It's all about opinions I know, but seriously, he was our only attacking threat yesterday. You often wonder what people are watching, or if they sit there ignoring everything else and base their sole match viewing on waiting for the player they hate to make a mistake so they can get on with their vendetta.

 

[Lanolin]

As opposed to Barkley giving the ball away... Del running down blind alleys... Kev doing nothing.

Everton fans.

Unbelievable bunch.

Have a go at the one player who looks remotely likely to make things happen...

Mate, why are you so desperate to defend him at all costs? Have a look at the threads of the players you're mentioning, they're all getting both barrels too. Bolasie is getting stick in this thread because he's a Koeman signing, unlike the others. The point is, Bolasie being slightly better than 1 or 2 others doesn't qualify as him being a success. He's not been our worst player by a long shot, but he is playing his part in our struggles, and we paid a huge amount of money (by our standards) for him. Of course people will knock him, just deal with it.

 

[mkrudden]

Mate, why are you so desperate to defend him at all costs? Have a look at the threads of the players you're mentioning, they're all getting both barrels too. Bolasie is getting stick in this thread because he's a Koeman signing, unlike the others. The point is, Bolasie being slightly better than 1 or 2 others doesn't qualify as him being a success. He's not been our worst player by a long shot, but he is playing his part in our struggles, and we paid a huge amount of money (by our standards) for him. Of course people will knock him, just deal with it.

you and @BlueToff need to kiss and make up. Your arguments are spamming the forum! lol

 

[Lanolin]

you and @BlueToff need to kiss and make up. Your arguments are spamming the forum! lol

Haha, we agree on a fair bit to be fair. I don't even wildly disagree on his opinion of Bolasie, I just think he goes OTT defending him at times.

 

[ryanbeno80]

Bolasie is not a centre forward, he's the one who is suppose to be supplying the service to Rom. As has been stated on here tons of times before though, all he does is head down, run, followed by one of three things - 1.) Boot the ball directly out of play 2.) Lump it into the box randomly (not picking out a player or, on many occasions, even looking to see if a player is there at all) 3.) some comedy manoeuvre e.g. fall over the ball/pass straight to the opposition/keep running whilst leaving the ball behind etc..

£28M is looking like a serious mountain of money at the moment.

He still relies on service to be able to get into a position to supply Rom