Ronald Koeman discussion

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The nagging doubt I've always had about Koeman is that his success at Southampton didn't actually have much to do with him. It's a well run club with great playing, scouting and youth systems in place, they know what they're about and when one peice 'of the puzzle' goes, like a star player or their manager, they have a replacement lined up to go who slots in and away they go again. I don't think Koeman had to do much there and that's why he's struggling with us because we need a little more than a steady hand on the tiller right now.
 

wainy said:
Because the majority of them managed to get us to 5th in the league not so long ago. They are comfortable and need moving on.

The work rate problem has existed for 3 seasons now. Appalling.

Jags shouldn't start. Barkley is terrible. Bolasie. Just wow for him.
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At least Barkley shows & wants the ball very hard to keep it when no one else does
 
The mess of the previous era will take time to sort - there is no magic wand. What did you expect a bottom half team to top 4 in 6 months? Expectations are far to high and some of the usual trolls of doom need a reality check.
 
Duncan Disordely said:
Koeman needs to be doing better, I'd like to see a change in tactics and formation, and he definitely needs to freshen the starting 11 up with a couple of the u23's.

However, I'm not hanging this all on Koeman, no way. This is pretty much two and a half seasons of this kind of no aggression, no backbone, no heart performances.

There's something rotten at the core of the squad. Heads drop the minute things go against us, players either can't or won't press the opposition, the movement from Lukaku + 2 wingers is constantly non-existent. Players seem to bothered about moaning at each other than actually trying to do something themselves. Koeman, Walsh and Moshiri have massive work to do to fix a broken squad, and it's going for take either a few transfer windows, or a couple really bold windows where we bin a lot of them off.

There's a malaise around the club where mediocrity is acceptable, too many people; players, staff and suits just aren't winners.

We're supposed to be Nothing But the Best is good enough, too often best of the rest has been acceptable.
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Far to much common sense in this post, deserves a ban
 

dholliday said:
last season we had tougher opposition in those 13 games, and without the novelty of a new manager's honeymoon period nor of a 30m winger.


there's a reason why there's this oft-used phrase in football: the buck stops with the manager.

No one sensible wants him out, but our poor run is his responsibility.
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All he needed to do here was fix that friggin back four and leave the rest as found. What has he tried to do though? He hasn't fixed the defence, he's just made us dull and unbalanced.

I want the feller to lead us to a better future, but he is looking like a complete 'kin car crash right now. It feels like we made a big mistake at this early stage.
 
Duncan Disordely said:
Koeman needs to be doing better, I'd like to see a change in tactics and formation, and he definitely needs to freshen the starting 11 up with a couple of the u23's.

However, I'm not hanging this all on Koeman, no way. This is pretty much two and a half seasons of this kind of no aggression, no backbone, no heart performances.

There's something rotten at the core of the squad. Heads drop the minute things go against us, players either can't or won't press the opposition, the movement from Lukaku + 2 wingers is constantly non-existent. Players seem to bothered about moaning at each other than actually trying to do something themselves. Koeman, Walsh and Moshiri have massive work to do to fix a broken squad, and it's going for take either a few transfer windows, or a couple really bold windows where we bin a lot of them off.

There's a malaise around the club where mediocrity is acceptable, too many people; players, staff and suits just aren't winners.

We're supposed to be Nothing But the Best is good enough, too often best of the rest has been acceptable.
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Well bloody said mate!
 
Mmmm, we need a bit of luck. I think we need a bit more than that. If he thinks the second half is acceptable then I'm scared.

http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2016/11/poor-starts-mystery-koeman/

Poor starts are a mystery to Koeman

Ronald Koeman says he finds it hard to explain why his Everton side have found it so difficult to hit the ground running in matches this season.

Before the international break his side struggled early on against Chelsea and then last weekend against Swansea the Blues seemed half asleep until the second half.

Today against Southampton it took the hosts just 42 seconds to take the lead which won them the game, but Koeman says the second half was much better, which seems to be the story of our season so far.

“It’s sometimes difficult to explain why,” he said when asked about Everton’s persistently poor starts to games this season.

“It’s Everton’s kick off in the game and then I think after 10 seconds we lost the ball from Gana to Lennon.

“Not really good defending position in the box and that makes it difficult.

“I can’t complain about our second half, we put a lot of effort in on the pitch and it’s difficult to score the goals at the moment.

“I think the start of Southampton in the game was better than our start and the 1-0 so fast in the game makes it difficult.

“They drop back with a lot of ball possession.

“I think it was a game that had to see more goals from Everton and also from Southampton because they had the chances in the second half to kill the game but we had some chance in, in my opinion, a good second half.

“Much better than the first half, again, and that’s the problem – how we start the game.

“It’s all about winning the game. Maybe it’s easy to say this but we need to work hard and start better than we started today.

“We need to repeat that performance of the second half because that’s how we need to play but we also need a bit of luck.”
 

summerisle said:
Mmmm, we need a bit of luck. I think we need a bit more than that. If he thinks the second half is acceptable then I'm scared.

http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2016/11/poor-starts-mystery-koeman/

Poor starts are a mystery to Koeman

Ronald Koeman says he finds it hard to explain why his Everton side have found it so difficult to hit the ground running in matches this season.

Before the international break his side struggled early on against Chelsea and then last weekend against Swansea the Blues seemed half asleep until the second half.

Today against Southampton it took the hosts just 42 seconds to take the lead which won them the game, but Koeman says the second half was much better, which seems to be the story of our season so far.

“It’s sometimes difficult to explain why,” he said when asked about Everton’s persistently poor starts to games this season.

“It’s Everton’s kick off in the game and then I think after 10 seconds we lost the ball from Gana to Lennon.

“Not really good defending position in the box and that makes it difficult.

“I can’t complain about our second half, we put a lot of effort in on the pitch and it’s difficult to score the goals at the moment.

“I think the start of Southampton in the game was better than our start and the 1-0 so fast in the game makes it difficult.

“They drop back with a lot of ball possession.

“I think it was a game that had to see more goals from Everton and also from Southampton because they had the chances in the second half to kill the game but we had some chance in, in my opinion, a good second half.

“Much better than the first half, again, and that’s the problem – how we start the game.

“It’s all about winning the game. Maybe it’s easy to say this but we need to work hard and start better than we started today.

“We need to repeat that performance of the second half because that’s how we need to play but we also need a bit of luck.”
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Is that from todays game or one of the last 8
 
summerisle said:
Mmmm, we need a bit of luck. I think we need a bit more than that. If he thinks the second half is acceptable then I'm scared.

http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2016/11/poor-starts-mystery-koeman/

Poor starts are a mystery to Koeman

Ronald Koeman says he finds it hard to explain why his Everton side have found it so difficult to hit the ground running in matches this season.

Before the international break his side struggled early on against Chelsea and then last weekend against Swansea the Blues seemed half asleep until the second half.

Today against Southampton it took the hosts just 42 seconds to take the lead which won them the game, but Koeman says the second half was much better, which seems to be the story of our season so far.

“It’s sometimes difficult to explain why,” he said when asked about Everton’s persistently poor starts to games this season.

“It’s Everton’s kick off in the game and then I think after 10 seconds we lost the ball from Gana to Lennon.

“Not really good defending position in the box and that makes it difficult.

“I can’t complain about our second half, we put a lot of effort in on the pitch and it’s difficult to score the goals at the moment.

“I think the start of Southampton in the game was better than our start and the 1-0 so fast in the game makes it difficult.

“They drop back with a lot of ball possession.

“I think it was a game that had to see more goals from Everton and also from Southampton because they had the chances in the second half to kill the game but we had some chance in, in my opinion, a good second half.

“Much better than the first half, again, and that’s the problem – how we start the game.

“It’s all about winning the game. Maybe it’s easy to say this but we need to work hard and start better than we started today.

“We need to repeat that performance of the second half because that’s how we need to play but we also need a bit of luck.”
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Straight out of the Martinez big book of bollox
 

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