Everton: we look an unhappy camp

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....another 'day after defeat' thread. Perhaps the players aren't buying into what RK wants. If that's the case he needs to try and move them on or we'll dip like last season.

Or Eggs Koeman needs a plan B to get the players playing in a system that suits them until he can bring in replacements rather than sticking to the tactics that clearly the players can't carry out.
 

I think it's been a case of 'we go with what we've got' until Jan and next Summer since the last window shut.

The rebuild job is bigger than we thought, and now some players (the ones who won't make the long term cut) are downing tools again - I've never seen an Everton team so meek and passionless.

Koeman takes a ding on not being able to motivate the current lot, and I think his too negative setups betray a lack of trust in the players. City was too negative; Chelsea was too. Yesterday 2 DM's to cover a back 4 - even if they all play like clowns, and he can get them pressing with some intensity- should at least make sure you don't lose the home game to a team in the bottom half, which is probably the goal between now and January, when he can freshen things up with a signing or two, and reduce his reliance on McCarthy, Cleverley, Lennon etc.

Hopefully he can keep us in the top half until Jan, sign a couple of first team reinforcements and close in on a top 6 place in later stages of the season.

It'll depend on his ability to motivate what he's currently got. Personally, I'm gonna give him Jan and the Summer, plus a run of games to next Christmas to see what we've got here. He's going to have to have a significant budget to spend on player purchases, and to shift the Undesirables or this won't work, and I think he'll be off - he's not the Wenger type to patiently allow the Board to prioritise stadium build over team or not slash the cash on team. I don't think Everton fans are that patient either tbh.

It's going to be a bumpy few weeks but I hope we can grind out a few results and reinforce in Jan. Introducing Davies and maybe Holgate would be my suggestion, as they'll never get their chance otherwise, and they'll bring that hunger, energy and spark we are sadly lacking now.
 

How is Galloway getting on at the Barcodes? I assume he's playing week in, week out?

Koeman rejected him getting regular games for a promotion chasing team and elected to send him to WBA under Pulis to sit on their bench.

I thought at the time it may be a good move but then realised that Pulis has form for his past 3 loan deals of young players not getting more than a handful of starts e.g Gnabry who scored a hattrick for germany last week.
 
I see both players more as central defenders who are both capable fullbacks, though i would have galloway ahead of oviedo as a left back.

Gary Neville was also seen as a centre back but was a fixture for utd at full back...both of them defend better than baines/coleman for me so id start both.
 
Early season form and four wins on the bounce suggest otherwise. The players are here to do more than an adequate job. They're not though.

I don't trust these players, personally I have no confidence in most of them anymore. They downed tools to get Martinez out and after the typical new manager bounce, they have reverted to type minus the defensive calamities and collapses, Chelsea excepted. It's a very marginal improvement but nothing to write home about.

The squad hailed in 2014 by many as our best in years has since collectively just gotten older and players like Jags are buckling under the strain.

RK could certainly set us up to play to Lukaku's strengths but apart from Geri and Barkley I can't really think of anyone else who could perhaps be coached/motivated to get more out of them.

Barry's legs could go at any minute. Mirallas is finished at this level. Cleverley offered and offers nothing. McCarthy is largely anonymous. Lennon finished. They don't even excel in looking busy anymore.
 
Basically then (and a but extreme i guess), weve had a fitness coach work more with them + jeffers and ferguson work with lukaku more intensely?

To be fair, any manager coming in can blame the players each game and we can wait 2 windows till he signs more duds (stek/bolasie) or hope walsh does the hiring (gana)...
Is there any point in continuing this debate Zat, I mean really is there? You just don't like the manager. Never have and never will. I do like him and been one of the biggest advocates on here for bringing him in. With this squad of dead wood no manager will get any real achievements out of it. Won't be afraid of admitting I'm wrong if proven so in a few seasons time. Until that time, I stay with my opinion.

If any signing you consider bad is being made by the manager and every good one by Walsh, well than there's no way he can win with you, is there? Anyway that dud Bolasie as you call him is still our most consistent and effective winger thus far, so that kind of proves my point the rest really is dead wood.

Oh and not a fan of Stekelenburg, but to call him a dud is not really being fair to him is it? Agree he's not good enough for us and really hope he's being used as a stop gap and we'll sign a quality goalkeeper soon, but a real dud wouldn't have got us that point at the Etihad.
 
Or Eggs Koeman needs a plan B to get the players playing in a system that suits them until he can bring in replacements rather than sticking to the tactics that clearly the players can't carry out.

...I think it's a very good point that some players might be unable to carry out his instructions. He's made it clear that he wants more from each individual. Under Martinez the defensive midfielders hardly crossed the half-way line and Barkley had little or no responsibility when the opposition had the ball.
 

I think it's been a case of 'we go with what we've got' until Jan and next Summer since the last window shut.

The rebuild job is bigger than we thought, and now some players (the ones who won't make the long term cut) are downing tools again - I've never seen an Everton team so meek and passionless.

Koeman takes a ding on not being able to motivate the current lot, and I think his too negative setups betray a lack of trust in the players. City was too negative; Chelsea was too. Yesterday 2 DM's to cover a back 4 - even if they all play like clowns, and he can get them pressing with some intensity- should at least make sure you don't lose the home game to a team in the bottom half, which is probably the goal between now and January, when he can freshen things up with a signing or two, and reduce his reliance on McCarthy, Cleverley, Lennon etc.

Hopefully he can keep us in the top half until Jan, sign a couple of first team reinforcements and close in on a top 6 place in later stages of the season.

It'll depend on his ability to motivate what he's currently got. Personally, I'm gonna give him Jan and the Summer, plus a run of games to next Christmas to see what we've got here. He's going to have to have a significant budget to spend on player purchases, and to shift the Undesirables or this won't work, and I think he'll be off - he's not the Wenger type to patiently allow the Board to prioritise stadium build over team or not slash the cash on team. I don't think Everton fans are that patient either tbh.

It's going to be a bumpy few weeks but I hope we can grind out a few results and reinforce in Jan. Introducing Davies and maybe Holgate would be my suggestion, as they'll never get their chance otherwise, and they'll bring that hunger, energy and spark we are sadly lacking now.


I think he needs that infamous £100mil to bring in a Centre back, central.midfielder and centre forward.

He also needs to jettison some players to make way for superior talents.

Id like to see a southampton style culling.
 
I don't trust these players, personally I have no confidence in most of them anymore. They downed tools to get Martinez out and after the typical new manager bounce, they have reverted to type minus the defensive calamities and collapses, Chelsea excepted. It's a very marginal improvement but nothing to write home about.

The squad hailed in 2014 by many as our best in years has since collectively just gotten older and players like Jags are buckling under the strain.

RK could certainly set us up to play to Lukaku's strengths but apart from Geri and Barkley I can't really think of anyone else who could perhaps be coached/motivated to get more out of them.

Barry's legs could go at any minute. Mirallas is finished at this level. Cleverly offered and offers nothing. McCarthy is largely anonymous. Lennon finished. They don't even excel in looking busy anymore.
The players are there, but they have to be cajoled. I don't think Koeman does "cajole". So we're into the realm of poor application and hoping Moshiri is not a spoiler and will bankroll spending...I have my doubts.
 
I think yesterday has shown everybody what a sorry state we are now in. We have players who are clearly not good enough and the ones who are good enough don't appear committed.
We look like a classic example of a squad who have been allowed to stagnate. I am a great believer in the old adage "if you aren't moving forward you are moving backwards". For years we have been slowly going backwards, now the pace of our decline has quickened. Koeman needs to have a root and branch clear out, he needs to bring in players who will roll their sleeves up and work to arrest our fall.
We have far too many players stealing a living of Everton.
If we don't get fresh players in January we will struggle, if we don't get the basis of a new team in January and the summer then we will stop being a mid-table team and be relegation material.
 
Is there any point in continuing this debate Zat, I mean really is there? You just don't like the manager. Never have and never will. I do like him and been one of the biggest advocates on here for bringing him in. With this squad of dead wood no manager will get any real achievements out of it. Won't be afraid of admitting I'm wrong if proven so in a few seasons time. Until that time, I stay with my opinion.

If any signing you consider bad is being made by the manager and every good one by Walsh, well than there's no way he can win with you, is there? Anyway that dud Bolasie as you call him is still our most consistent and effective winger thus far, so that kind of proves my point the rest really is dead wood.

Oh and not a fan of Stekelenburg, but to call him a dud is not really being fair to him is it? Agree he's not good enough for us and really hope he's being used as a stop gap and we'll sign a quality goalkeeper soon, but a real dud wouldn't have got us that point at the Etihad.


Well, I think bringing in a keeper whose unable to perform to an average premier league level consistently as a 1st choice makes him a dud.

As for Gana, it was in the media that Walsh wanted him before Kante but he chose Villa and went back in for him...theres been no mention of Walsh's involvement with any other signings.
 

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