Ross Barkley

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Toffeelover said:
A good question and Barklay needs to answer it with performances.
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If Valencia wasnt such a shitter he would be sitting on the bench for a long time, hell if we still had Naismith he would be watching from the bench, as it is, hes probably got until January to nail down a place in midfield or prove his worth at number 10.

No way does Koeman not address the SS or CM issue in January or at least attempt to.
 

BlueLlama said:
Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, Alli too eh?

Ross was indulged by Martinez and lost focus and fitness. He had his ego battered by being dropped by England and then he was under the spotlight. Koeman is doing the right thing with him but he will need a bit of time.

I despair of our fanbase sometimes, Ross is truly one of our own and half of you can't wait to stick the knife in.
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No mate I just think he will eventually become another 'could of been special' player. Just look at the way he picked the ball up against Newcastle for his wonder goal, he turns and instinctively runs at them to drag us up the park, that type of run you cant plan, it just starts off as a little run and ended into something great.

Now when he picks the ball up watch how he turns like a tank then does almost something like a sideways step, throws in a couple of feints then does nothing with the end result. Im sorry but it looks like a man comfortable with his own hype and just strolls through at times.

In the case of Dele Alli are you still one of the southern media brigade talking Alli up as the next great hope ? The euro's should of been the warning shot that the likes of Alli and others aren't good enough - they even compared Alli to Barkley, obviously ross will never be great unless he goes to the big four in their eyes, regardless of if he fulfils his potential anyhow.

FYI im not the type to sit and boo or abuse Ross at the game, im deperate for him to become great, I would love our very own Lampard, Scholes or Gerrard type one club legend (Lampard was at WHU I know). You get the jist of what I want from Ross though.
 

Carlito said:
I think now is the time to drop him into a more orthodox midfield role and see if he sinks or swims.

He definitely has the skill set and physique to perform the ball retention job that Dembele does for Tottenham. When I suggested this last season I was ridiculed, and even informed without a hint of irony that he was more comparable to Zidane, but I imagine that people are going to start being more realistic about his role as he moves out of the prospect stage of his career.

There have been plenty of valid points made about the holes in his game, but for me the biggest issue is his inability to put the correct weight on a killer pass.
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So you want to take a very talented goal scoring midfielder and turn him in to a work horse further back on the pitch? Seriously?

If you saw the stat knocking about from Sky last week regarding his goals/assists vs Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard, he's very comparable, favourably so. None of those players played in the role you are advising. Gerrard may have at the end of his career, but for most of it he was played as a number 10 or even out wide. Like Lampard, Scholes and probably now Barkley, he wasn't trusted with the defensive side of the game, or was better utilised where his talents brought the most success, whichever floats your boat.

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For a comparison to Zidane's stats at a similar same stage of his career when Zidane was 21 he had played 130 games scored 22 goals and had 14 assists. Zidane wasn't a household name when he signed for Juventus aged 24 but became so alongside Deschamps and some very talented midfielders. Of course it's laughable to compare Zidane who won the World Cup (aged 26) or the one who finished his career at Madrid in his 30's, because he was exceptional. But in terms of attributes it's not the worst comparison to a former player at this stage of his career. Both big strong lads, with similar running styles and goals. I doubt Ross will hit the heights that Zidane did as he doesn't have the same Ghetto drive, or those of gerrard even as he doesn't have OCD, but don't write him off just yet.

Ross scores goals and creates chances. Unfortunately like a lot of the players, his development as a footballer has almost stalled under the Martinez era. Couple that with being ignored in the Euros and then left out of the latest National squad and his confidence is low right now.

Koeman is trying to manage that situation and produce a response from Ross. Hopefully he does so and we see the benefits on the pitch, but people need to give the lad a chance and stop writing him off at every opportunity or groaning and booing if he doesn't meg someone and smash it in the top corner.
 
Why do people keep comparing him to scholes Gerrard and Lampard ? That kind of hype has done him no favours at all. The media frenzy after he got subbed was way over the top as well. It's hard for the lad being under such scrutiny and having huge expectations placed on him
 
Little Ralphy said:
So you want to take a very talented goal scoring midfielder and turn him in to a work horse further back on the pitch? Seriously?

If you saw the stat knocking about from Sky last week regarding his goals/assists vs Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard, he's very comparable, favourably so. None of those players played in the role you are advising. Gerrard may have at the end of his career, but for most of it he was played as a number 10 or even out wide. Like Lampard, Scholes and probably now Barkley, he wasn't trusted with the defensive side of the game, or was better utilised where his talents brought the most success, whichever floats your boat.

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For a comparison to Zidane's stats at a similar same stage of his career when Zidane was 21 he had played 130 games scored 22 goals and had 14 assists. Zidane wasn't a household name when he signed for Juventus aged 24 but became so alongside Deschamps and some very talented midfielders. Of course it's laughable to compare Zidane who won the World Cup (aged 26) or the one who finished his career at Madrid in his 30's, because he was exceptional. But in terms of attributes it's not the worst comparison to a former player at this stage of his career. Both big strong lads, with similar running styles and goals. I doubt Ross will hit the heights that Zidane did as he doesn't have the same Ghetto drive, or those of gerrard even as he doesn't have OCD, but don't write him off just yet.

Ross scores goals and creates chances. Unfortunately like a lot of the players, his development as a footballer has almost stalled under the Martinez era. Couple that with being ignored in the Euros and then left out of the latest National squad and his confidence is low right now.

Koeman is trying to manage that situation and produce a response from Ross. Hopefully he does so and we see the benefits on the pitch, but people need to give the lad a chance and stop writing him off at every opportunity or groaning and booing if he doesn't meg someone and smash it in the top corner.
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Good post but spoiled by your final paragraph, imo.

Those stats you highlight and Ross's form last season (forget about the final couple of months when they all decided to go on strike...the reason RB lost any chance of a Euro starting place, btw) are proof enough his career is on track. Why does Koeman have to do anything other than encourage him to get on the ball and do what he's been doing, or at most drop him back and try him occasionally there?

Imo, he's completely overreacted to a poor showing at Sunderland by Barkley and created an issue that wasn't even on anyone else's radar.
 

davek said:
Good post but spoiled by your final paragraph, imo.

Those stats you highlight and Ross's form last season (forget about the final couple of months when they all decided to go on strike...the reason RB lost any chance of a Euro starting place, btw) are proof enough his career is on track. Why does Koeman have to do anything other than encourage him to get on the ball and do what he's been doing, or at most drop him back and try him occasionally there?

Imo, he's completely overreacted to a poor showing at Sunderland by Barkley and created an issue that wasn't even on anyone else's radar.
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Koeman hasn't created an issue at all Dave

He subbed off Barkley because we needed to win the game against Sunderland and something needed to change.

He didn't 'take him off' to get a response. Barkley played well vs Boro.

He played badly yesterday.
 
MoutsGoat said:
If Valencia wasnt such a shitter he would be sitting on the bench for a long time, hell if we still had Naismith he would be watching from the bench, as it is, hes probably got until January to nail down a place in midfield or prove his worth at number 10.

No way does Koeman not address the SS or CM issue in January or at least attempt to.
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Sadly, this is probably fair.
 
I thought he played OK. His finishing was poor and his final ball was non-existent but that was mainly down to Valencia.

However his numbers haven't been good enough all season in a team playing well and I don't think playing him as a 10 against teams that park the bus suits him. Now with Gueye it's a bit better because unlike McCarthy we have a player who likes to make forward runs for him to pass to but we're still a bit too static. I just don't think we have solved that problem. Most of his best moments are on the counter attack and there's a reason for that.
 

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