Ross Barkley

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Let's remember Barkley thought his career was over and may never recover from his injury, this had impacted in him as a player as he doesn't have the 100% aggression and backs out of tackles which is why you don't see him winning the ball back.
 

Davek overreactiong as usual. If Barkley can't cope with this from Koeman then he might as well pack up and drop down to the championship. He needs to grow a pair. We all know how sensitive he is when jags was telling him at Wembley the fans were not picking on him. He going to have to be stronger mentality. Maybe he to much of a blue and sometime this can be a burden for him.
 
At 22 years of age, he's no kid. He has got the ability to be a very good player as he has shown on numerous occasions, however if his performance is not helping the team then he deserves to get the hook, as do all of them. As for throwing him under a bus, Koeman was asked a question and he gave a perfectly good answer, blunt and straight to the point. Some of us live in the real world where a spade is a spade so man up dave and get over it
Ross's issue is nothing to do with his ability, technique, fitness, physique, he has all them in abundance but he struggles with the mental side of the game. I believe the jeers, comments from the crowd affect him massively (like at HT at wembley when walking down the tunnel when jags had to reassure him) now for the past 3 years he's had the arm round his shoulder with everyone telling him how great he is and can be, but I think RK now is trying a different approach to get him mentally tough which should then bring consistency into his game. Time will tell if its the right way to get best out of him.
 
Ross's issue is nothing to do with his ability, technique, fitness, physique, he has all them in abundance but he struggles with the mental side of the game. I believe the jeers, comments from the crowd affect him massively (like at HT at wembley when walking down the tunnel when jags had to reassure him) now for the past 3 years he's had the arm round his shoulder with everyone telling him how great he is and can be, but I think RK now is trying a different approach to get him mentally tough which should then bring consistency into his game. Time will tell if its the right way to get best out of him.

The thing is mate - while I believe you're 100% right btw - this just seems to have come about because of one poor half of football.

We all knew he was poor. Koeman knew it and I'm pretty sure he knew it.

Koeman made the decision to take him off and that will keep everybody on their toes.

Other than Monday night though, Barkley's had a good start to the season.
 

Koeman has shown that he's the sort of manager who won't tip-toe or sweet talk his way around things

He's come out and said what he's said because he appears to be a straight shooter

What stood out to me from the following article was this excerpt (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/15/ross-barkley-must-raise-game-everton-ronald-koeman)

“We analysed the game as always and had individual talks. I had them with Ross and he needs to improve and, OK, we will see at the weekend.”

That tells me that Ross is still very much in his plans and will be given a chance

I rate Ross and have done since that game against Arsenal in Moyes last season. I'm confident he'll come out the other side of this and will be stronger from it. Adversity tends to introduce a man to himself. Ross is still BOSS and he'll prove it
 
The thing is mate - while I believe you're 100% right btw - this just seems to have come about because of one poor half of football.

We all knew he was poor. Koeman knew it and I'm pretty sure he knew it.

Koeman made the decision to take him off and that will keep everybody on their toes.

Other than Monday night though, Barkley's had a good start to the season.
Exactly mate! it just proves that RK will not allow any player regardless of the name on the back of the shirt to under-perform. That for me is how it should be!!
 
If Koeman wanted to avoid Martinez's mistake he'd have binned the barrack room lawyers who downed tools intentionally not a boy who gives his all when he takes to the pitch.

I'm sorry, he's needlessly hung a talented and good lad out to dry here...maybe because he doesn't fancy taking on a serial moaner like Mirallas or a misfiring Lukaku.

I support Koeman, but I tell you what he will store up some ill feeling if he continues a line that throws his players to the dogs like he has today. Up to him. He'll either be a roaring sucess and win stuff and thereby get away with stunts like this, or he'll be bang average or worse and players will have him out.

I think a lot of that is fair. My two questions would be;
1) Was Barkley immune from the lads who downed tools. I see him as very much part of the group that dropped off. In all honesty I blame the majority of them equally.
2) Re Mirallas/Lukaku has he not already admonished them publically?

At his first press conference he stated "Lukaku needs to work harder and improve". When he returned to fitness he didn't go straight back into the team.
Mirallas likewise was told "he needs to work hard for 90 minutes" and remember him being dropped pre season. He too has been substituted early in games.

I think the issue for Koeman will probably be how long can he be publically critical of players for before they, their agents and the local press start to turn. I'm not sure you can manage indefinitely by being so open, at least very few other managers adopt this. That being said if he's here for 2-3 years he may well avoid the problem.

As for me I am in favour of his approach, for two reasons one which I accept is not a good one. Primarily because I see that group of players let the club down last season and let down someone who I felt was a decent man who had tried to talk most of them up. While Martinez has rightly taken a lot of flak I won't forget the Anfield capitulation for some time to come. I accept though this is not a particularly helpful instinct and doesn't lead to good management.

The more important reason is that I think they require a stricter approach. In the latter years of Moyes and Martinez Everton became quite a closeted, tight knit group where favouritism developed. It's an extension of the "family club" stuff Kenwright has always pushed. I think lads need to be pushed more, even if just for the short term.

I can understand why you think it's targeting of Barkley but I'm not sure it is. I think this is Koemans approach to management. There are definitely faults to it but right now do you not think we need such an approach. Secondly would making a lad like Barkley immune to it not lead to a world where the favouritism would be re-created?

I am a big Barkley fan but it is up to him now. If he can't cope with some honest criticism in public from his manager I don't think he will emulate Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard which should be his aim.
 

Stick him on the bench.

If he has another stinker and has to get hauled off at HT it would be embarrassing for the lad. Put him on the bench, show him he isn't guaranteed a start every game. Played better on Monday when he went off.
 
Oh that's nice. Very collegiate.

I'm sure others will think so too.

How about you two play the ball and not the man...or is that too hard for you?

It's not my place to comment on such things mate, which was my point

I'm never going to demand someone eat a ban, that's just not cricket (And indeed I also think it's a banning offence in and of itself)

I've said my piece on the Ross situation (He's BOSS) and that's all I have to say regards this thread

Have a splendid day
 

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