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There really ought to be shorter contracts in football. So much money is involved, it really needs to be sorted out a lot cleverer.

I'd be for initial two-year contracts for managers and players alike, with the club - who after all are paying so much money to their employees - being protected by automatic extensions if and when clauses are activated.

Scenario manager:

Everton sign Koeman, initial two-year contract. If goals - agreed during negotiations - are met, then at end of second year a further two years are automatically added to the deal with no negotiating needing to take place: Due to goals being met an already-agreed wage increase will be given. Once the second set of two years are up, same procedure can begin again with two-year increments.

If goals are not met at end of two years, contract can run out and he can leave and go wherever he wants for free, or club and manager can mutually agree to extend deal for two more years on existing terms. Everybody is a winner. No danger to club of being tied in to 20m four-year deals for underperforming managers, and manager knows if he performs well he'll get a longer deal and better wages, and if he doesn't it can be discussed with the club or he can try his luck elsewhere knowing the club can't stand in his way.

Scenario player:
Everton sign Stones for 3m from Barnsley, initial two-year contract. Club retains option to extend his contract by another 2/3 years if they are satisfied with his progress at the end of two years. If they aren't satisfied, they can sell for an already-agreed fee during initial negotiations. To make such a deal attractive to the player there could be release clauses inserted into all contracts, like in Spain, albeit more realistic. That way, even if the club is pleased with player but player wants out regardless, there is a fee there, everybody knows it, and it's up to other clubs to meet it and sign player. Both club and player retain a good deal of power.
 

I have no idea how we stayed up in 1994/1995, Big Joe helped !!

Thankfully it was a very long season so we had opportunity to pull the deficit back.

Not sure why people are upset with the Martinez pay off. Its standard stuff, we are no different from any other football club or business. It happens all the time and he has done nothing wrong.

Contractually he was owed a pay off and we gave it to him. Big deal.
 

There really ought to be shorter contracts in football. So much money is involved, it really needs to be sorted out a lot cleverer.

I'd be for initial two-year contracts for managers and players alike, with the club - who after all are paying so much money to their employees - being protected by automatic extensions if and when clauses are activated.

Scenario manager:

Everton sign Koeman, initial two-year contract. If goals - agreed during negotiations - are met, then at end of second year a further two years are automatically added to the deal with no negotiating needing to take place: Due to goals being met an already-agreed wage increase will be given. Once the second set of two years are up, same procedure can begin again with two-year increments.

If goals are not met at end of two years, contract can run out and he can leave and go wherever he wants for free, or club and manager can mutually agree to extend deal for two more years on existing terms. Everybody is a winner. No danger to club of being tied in to 20m four-year deals for underperforming managers, and manager knows if he performs well he'll get a longer deal and better wages, and if he doesn't it can be discussed with the club or he can try his luck elsewhere knowing the club can't stand in his way.

Scenario player:
Everton sign Stones for 3m from Barnsley, initial two-year contract. Club retains option to extend his contract by another 2/3 years if they are satisfied with his progress at the end of two years. If they aren't satisfied, they can sell for an already-agreed fee during initial negotiations. To make such a deal attractive to the player there could be release clauses inserted into all contracts, like in Spain, albeit more realistic. That way, even if the club is pleased with player but player wants out regardless, there is a fee there, everybody knows it, and it's up to other clubs to meet it and sign player. Both club and player retain a good deal of power.

See where you are coming from but managers and players length of contract are one of the important parts of getting your man. Don't think a 2 year contract for in demand players or managers will cut it even with a promise of more if goals reached.
 
Chatting wham per usual. Yes he oversaw the worst home record in our history...but he also oversaw one of our best records. He is nowhere near our worst manager. He wouldn't have the fifth best winning percentage if he were that bad.

But hey ho you also are adamant that 5th is mid table...

That's right mate, the worst home record in Everton's entire history. Worse than anything that had come in the previous 138 years lol ! That takes some doing with this current squad of players. Anyone with half a brain could see where he was taking us. The longer he was with us the worse he got, culminating in the completely abject finish to last season which really was as bad as anything I have seen previously, and I was actually sat in Goodison during the 1990's rather than checking the score in your Sports Illustrated subscription.

The thought of where he was taking us is truly petrifying. He is without doubt the worst manager in our history imo. You are quite entitled to debate whether he was slightly better or worse than the likes of Walker, but the difference is negligible imo, both were taking us down.
 
That's right mate, the worst home record in Everton's entire history. Worse than anything that had come in the previous 138 years lol ! That takes some doing with this current squad of players. Anyone with half a brain could see where he was taking us. The longer he was with us the worse he got, culminating in the completely abject finish to last season which really was as bad as anything I have seen previously, and I was actually sat in Goodison during the 1990's rather than checking the score in your Sports Illustrated subscription.

The thought of where he was taking us is truly petrifying. He is without doubt the worst manager in our history imo. You are quite entitled to debate whether he was slightly better or worse than the likes of Walker, but the difference is negligible imo, both were taking us down.

Nah...we were never going down...and were never close under Martinez. Whether you like it or not he won games at the fifth greatest clip in Everton's entire history.
 
That's right mate, the worst home record in Everton's entire history. Worse than anything that had come in the previous 138 years lol ! That takes some doing with this current squad of players. Anyone with half a brain could see where he was taking us. The longer he was with us the worse he got, culminating in the completely abject finish to last season which really was as bad as anything I have seen previously, and I was actually sat in Goodison during the 1990's rather than checking the score in your Sports Illustrated subscription.
The thought of where he was taking us is truly petrifying. He is without doubt the worst manager in our history imo. You are quite entitled to debate whether he was slightly better or worse than the likes of Walker, but the difference is negligible imo, both were taking us down.
Here just three seasons and got record PL points total and two cup SFs.

You're having a laff.

Outlandish shouts might make you feel better by letting off steam but stuff like that is akin to saying the moon is made out of cheese.
 

Comparing Martinez win percent to say, for example Kendall III, is pointless, because although I can only speculate, I'd put my life on it that if the fraud took over from Dave Watson at the end of 96/97, Everton wouldn't of been worried if Gianluca Vialli would field a strong team against Bolton (because of CWC final) as we'd of already been relegated.

If we are going to use stats such as Walter Smiths time here as a comparison against the clown, then we should really include El Pricko's stats at Wigan as in theory Everton in the late 90's were completely different, different owners, different fan expectation, different standard of player, different standard of opposition and different budget.

In fact now I think of it, if Martinez had of taken over from ANY other Everton manager in the PL era he would have almost certainly relegated us.

Could you imagine replacing Mike Walker or Walter Smith with El Fraudo? Taking into consideration the squads he'd of been afforded.

Thank you David Moyes is what I say, solid defence got us 5th (16 clean sheets I believe) once that had been Martinezed the game was up.
 
Nah...we were never going down...and were never close under Martinez. Whether you like it or not he won games at the fifth greatest clip in Everton's entire history.
In sympathy with @Dymak, Averages can drive so much incorrect thought. He had a great first season so on average that made the three seasons look ... well... ok. However given how good season 1 was it sits as a testament to how freakin' awful season three was if it could bring his record down so much. The average is useless, the trend was dangerous and not firing him when they did would have been borderline negligent, as, if he had stayed at the helm I think there is a strong likelihood we would be embroiled in a relegation fight from the get go this season. 10M was a lot of money but not compared to the alternative.
 
Thankfully it was a very long season so we had opportunity to pull the deficit back.

Not sure why people are upset with the Martinez pay off. Its standard stuff, we are no different from any other football club or business. It happens all the time and he has done nothing wrong.

Contractually he was owed a pay off and we gave it to him. Big deal.

correct, however its the size of the pay off that makes people wince. i cant recall anything close to that paid to such an average manager (cant even recall anything like that paid to a good one to be honest).
 
Here just three seasons and got record PL points total and two cup SFs.

You're having a laff.

Outlandish shouts might make you feel better by letting off steam but stuff like that is akin to saying the moon is made out of cheese.
Not trying to be condescending but do you wish he was still the manager of Everton?
 

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